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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #315 on: 04 October 2017, 00:18:01 »
@cofresi:
Im sorry, but what is this obsession about a bug in the game? There are plenty of "bugs" in the game. Just go to youtube to see a few if you need to. We have no chance of "fixing" anything in the game, since it is amiga code running through an emulator, updated stats or not.

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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #316 on: 04 October 2017, 19:11:40 »
@cofresi:
Im sorry, but what is this obsession about a bug in the game? There are plenty of "bugs" in the game. Just go to youtube to see a few if you need to. We have no chance of "fixing" anything in the game, since it is amiga code running through an emulator, updated stats or not.

Thanks for your question.

For me it was just that the online play also wasn't really fun anymore, and that was the thing that became more of an obsession. So I really needed to take a step back, and play more offline and online only from time to time. Even though offline is not at good substitute to get better, I do maintain my level a bit and the muscle memory ;-). So I als wanted to make offline play as hard as possible for me, by choosing Coach for the opponent and changing there formation to either 523 or to one of the Custom tactics on the savedisk.

So to keep having fun with the Sensi game it now works best if I can use my online team also offline (as I could when using Brazil 96/97). Since with offline I do like to have the option to play whenever I like, and not have to go and wait for online players who are about the same level as me. Also, I did put a lot of time and effort in switching to the Spain 16/17 team for online play, that I used in the summer ASL5. And for me this just was the last analysis of the Goalkeeper teleport bug, just to see if I was the only one and to see if it could be fixed. Now that I know there is 'no chance of fixing the bug' I will look for the best alternative to play offline.

If my analysis is now correct, I could still play offline with the top 16/17 national teams without the Goalkeeper teleport bug occuring. Offline, the only downside is now that I can't play against any of the best 16/17 club teams.
Or I could choose to use either Brazil 96/97 or Italy 96/97 for online play as well as for offline play.

So I do have my solutions to work around the bug now. It's just that I find it very odd to have a forum topic called 'Error and bug reports' if there is 'no chance of fixing the bugs'. It's rather useless then. Since all I wanted to do is help you improve the game and the updated 16/17 database by reporting this bug.
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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #317 on: 04 October 2017, 19:26:54 »
If you go to the first post of this thread you will see why the topic was created. Mostly to make creators of the 16/17 patch aware of any flaws like wrong hair/skin colors, misspelled names, formation choices etc. Not to fix the actual game code, but I see your point.

I haven't tried to replicate your bug yet, perhaps some time later.

You should get back to online. You can always play friendlies without any pressure. It will still make you a better player. I only use offline play to practice goals or test tactics. Defensively it is rather useless.

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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #318 on: 05 October 2017, 21:06:40 »
Thanks for trying to replicate the bug. It might still just be only me... LOL since I just discovered playing Spain 16/17 vs Brazil 16/17 in a DIY league with the same GK teleport bug that I described. So there goes my theory of 'double players' ;-) But it does confirm that it's mostly the second match, not the first match that is will occur. Well, and it also doesn't work to replace one obsession (taking online play too seriously) with another obsession (debugging something that won't be fixed) ... so I will just let it go now  :-\ :D.

And thanks for pointing out why the topic was created, can understand that it also was mostly created to have an updated database when playing online ;-).

Time for me to just accept the situation and be 8) about it. Then from now on it will jus tbe A.M. United (as long as it's on the savedisk) or Spain 16/17 for online play with ASWOS 16/17. And just us my old team Brazil 96/97 for offline play with the ASWOS 96/97. Since all in all it's just great that the programs even exist for online play  ;D



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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #319 on: 05 October 2017, 23:56:13 »
It has nothing to do with the player names!
It's only Spain's DE GEA with this bug.

Funny enough, I had found another goalkeeper bug while doing the update. Neuer from Bayern reacted slowly like a grandpa on PC DOS version, while playing vs. CPU teams. ;D

Neuer and De Gea are the most expensive (ergo: best!) goalkeepers in SWOS 16/17. Makes me suspicious.

@djowger: you have experience with super-teams... did you notice any strange GK behavior with a 15M price tag?
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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #320 on: 06 October 2017, 14:02:15 »
It has nothing to do with the player names!
It's only Spain's DE GEA with this bug.

Funny enough, I had found another goalkeeper bug while doing the update. Neuer from Bayern reacted slowly like a grandpa on PC DOS version, while playing vs. CPU teams. ;D

Neuer and De Gea are the most expensive (ergo: best!) goalkeepers in SWOS 16/17. Makes me suspicious.

@djowger: you have experience with super-teams... did you notice any strange GK behavior with a 15M price tag?

You are right for the following matches that were affected, that De Gea (worth 7M in Spain 16/17) is key:
- Spain 16/17 vs. A.M. United (= Spain 16/17) *if savedisk is updated this might not be possible anymore.
- Real 16/17 WHI vs. Spain 16/17
- Spain 16/17 vs. Barca 16/17

Still it does not explain why I found the same result with these matches below (might be that once the bug occurs, all following matches get the bug too... haven't tested this)

No GK De Gea, they do have both some players worth 15M
- Barca 16/17 vs. Barca 16/17 YEL
- Real 16/17 WHI vs. Real 16/17 BLA

No GK De Gea, Real does have Bale who is worth 15M
- Real 16/17 WHI vs. France 16/17
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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #321 on: 06 October 2017, 14:46:46 »
It has nothing to do with the player names!
It's only Spain's DE GEA with this bug.

Funny enough, I had found another goalkeeper bug while doing the update. Neuer from Bayern reacted slowly like a grandpa on PC DOS version, while playing vs. CPU teams. ;D

Neuer and De Gea are the most expensive (ergo: best!) goalkeepers in SWOS 16/17. Makes me suspicious.

@djowger: you have experience with super-teams... did you notice any strange GK behavior with a 15M price tag?

Hmm.. well the last couple of times at the DanishCup we have been using superteams made by me. BUT on purpose I made the keeper with less stars than the normal players, which is only 4, which starts around 1.9 M £ if I remember correctly. I did this so we would have a keeper similar to tafferel from Brazil, to not make the switch from normal to superteams that big in the offensive play.

I don't recall ever having seen this bug in earlier versions of Danish Cup / Danish Open. Back in the days they used full superteams made by Brian (hot2not), so the keeper must have had a value of 15M also. Would be interesting to hear if some of the Danish Cup guys have seen this bug before. They might have. There was once a certain goal that they said was forbidden (haha), could have been the old jigga move or something close to the bug.