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SENSIBLE (WORLD OF) SOCCER => SWOS 16/17 => Topic started by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 13:44:02

Title: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 13:44:02
DOWNLOAD: http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17


+++ PATCH DATE: DECEMBER 11th, 2016 +++

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+++ PATCH DATE: DECEMBER 11th 2016 +++



Synopsis

There have been many SWOS updates in the past, peaking in Synchronated's (http://synchronatedswos.blogspot.de) outstanding workload. However, there have always been problems, career mode crashes, unfinished leagues, and many other things that were rather unsatisfactory. That's the reason why Marin and me have decided to go for another approach. And the time seems right to celebrate SWOS 96/97 20th anniversary with an update that hopefully will be accepted by fans around the globe, making it a true Sensible World Of Soccer again...



Everybody who likes to contribute any team file, you are welcome to do so! The more, the merrier!
Nevertheless, there are some specific rules on how teams have to be updated, and thus be included in the final game:





BASIC UPDATE RULES FOR ALL EDITORS:>>CLICK HERE<< (http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26242.0)
EDITOR OVERVIEW - CURRENT ASSIGNMENTS:>>CLICK HERE<< (http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0)

Deadline to submit team files: 30th September



Interested in contributing team file(s), following the update rules, please post in this topic!

Each editor may submit a custom team, based on the original custom teams of SWOS 96/97 (http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/swos_original_custom_teams.png). First come, first serve!





Contact: playaveli@sensiblesoccer.de / marin.parushev@gmail.com
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 04 May 2016, 15:04:56
Hey.. I would like to help with the danish league / danish national team.

One question though. Will it be acceptable to replace central midfielders (offensive/defensive) with attackers and defenders? This will of course improve performance of the teams, but not be like the original version of the game, and thus make players with M obsolete.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: AndYpsilon on 04 May 2016, 15:10:52
I'd like to help with an update for Cologne ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 15:12:14
Nice1, Poul. Danish league / national team taken!

Sure, you can use A and D in midfield role. But remember, M won't be obsolete, if skills are set correctly, wisely (e.g.: Redondo).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 04 May 2016, 15:27:54
Hi playa

I'll go for the scottish leagues if that's ok?

Cheers

Gaz
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: lemonheadiv on 04 May 2016, 15:28:57
I'd like to help with Italian league teams.

@ Marin and Playa: great idea, I totally agree on the rules for updating.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 15:35:22
Hi playa

I'll go for the scottish leagues if that's ok?

Cheers

Gaz

Nice, thanks!

I'd like to help with Italian league teams.

@ Marin and Playa: great idea, I totally agree on the rules for updating.

Va bene!! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 04 May 2016, 15:48:42
Do I understand correctly that this update will work with the original exe?

If so, yay! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 15:49:44
Do I understand correctly that this update will work with the original exe?

If so, yay! :)

Correct!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 04 May 2016, 16:04:12
will the unlimited transfers "hack" be in the release too? so people aren't limited to 5 transfers per season, or will this still need to be an external "hack"?

Cheers

Gaz
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 16:14:33
will the unlimited transfers "hack" be in the release too? so people aren't limited to 5 transfers per season, or will this still need to be an external "hack"?

Cheers

Gaz

No hacks, whatsoever! Totally faithful to original SWOS 96/97.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 04 May 2016, 16:30:11
Do I understand correctly that this update will work with the original exe?

If so, yay! :)

Correct!
Yay! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 04 May 2016, 16:30:18
If you need any help with the Hungarian league or the national team, I would gladly help with it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 16:39:49
If you need any help with the Hungarian league or the national team, I would gladly help with it.

Great! Added you!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 16:48:11
Each editor who is supplying team files may also submit an ORIGINAL CUSTOM TEAM!
How? Just choose an original custom team of your choice from SWOS 96/97, and edit the names (not skills / positions). Post screenshot.

First come, first serve!


Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Theologistic on 04 May 2016, 17:15:50
Hi there,

I  incredibly excited for this project. I have religiously used your fantastic updates throughout the years and have been in love with SWOS from day 1.

In short, I'm more than happy to contribute and put forward a league or two. I don't mind doing a couple of the less mainstream European leagues. Feel free to pick a couple of random leagues for me and I'll get to work on Swosoff.

Your guidance for edited teams is crystal clear and makes perfect sense to me.

Let me know,

Leo
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 17:26:50
Hey Leo!
Thanks a bunch!! It would be just great if you could pick a league (or two) by yourself.
Else, I would suggest the leagues of Wales and Northern Ireland, though, since you are from GB?!

Your guidance for edited teams is crystal clear and makes perfect sense to me.

Glad to hear that!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 04 May 2016, 17:58:01
Hey,
I would like to do Polish League and Polish National Team :)
 
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 04 May 2016, 18:24:24
Hi!, Amazing news! Obviously i want to be part of this. I ca update Spain and more leagues.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 18:53:21
Hey,
I would like to do Polish League and Polish National Team :)

Thanks!

Hi!, Amazing news! Obviously i want to be part of this. I ca update Spain and more leagues.

Nice. Please post the other leagues you want to do, next to Spain.
How about National teams?


@ Gorzo, Betichus: Unlike the 15/16 update, please abide to the updating rules mentioned in first post!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 04 May 2016, 19:24:23
What should I do if now the 1st div have 12 teams, and in 96/97 was more than 12 (afair 16)?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 19:42:53
What should I do if now the 1st div have 12 teams, and in 96/97 was more than 12 (afair 16)?

Easy thing: Take the next 4 highest placed teams of 15/16 second division.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 19:49:07
I'd like to help with an update for Cologne ;)

Sorry, Andy! Single teams cannot be updated. But you can put your name in the ring for the German leagues... :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 04 May 2016, 19:51:49
Each editor who is supplying team files may also submit an ORIGINAL CUSTOM TEAM!
How? Just choose an original custom team of your choice from SWOS 96/97, and edit the names (not skills / positions). Post screenshot.

First come, first serve!
Is Professionals available to edit? I would take it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 04 May 2016, 19:55:29
Easy thing: Take the next 4 highest placed teams of 15/16 second division.
I will make it so :)

By the way: I guess we have to wait until the trade deadline. It is around end of August I think.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 20:12:10
Easy thing: Take the next 4 highest placed teams of 15/16 second division.
I will make it so :)

By the way: I guess we have to wait until the trade deadline. It is around end of August I think.

Check end of first post for deadline! ;)

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 04 May 2016, 20:19:56
Yes, but now I understand the why :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bennn54 on 04 May 2016, 20:47:27
Yes!! Great great great! I get so excited!

I can easily do the French Ligue 1 & 2

I have made updates for another fansite years ago, I can do also any country needed.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 04 May 2016, 20:53:44
HELLO

now i can do the program

in 2 minuts ,with copy paste from the web

http://www.transfermarkt.es

ej:http://www.transfermarkt.es/malaga-cf/startseite/verein/1084

i need to add the name of more countrys

i hope can select the players that will be record TEAM.0XX and record



Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 04 May 2016, 21:07:34
the last update of my program in excel is

i give my dropbox for updates on real time

many things of the program can be change or fix

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fqtbdkwnpefzaw/Skill%20Generator%20%28transfermarkt%29%20v2.1.rar?dl=0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 04 May 2016, 21:13:27
cool idea!

I'd love to take care of the Argentine leagues, or maybe the whole South America...

it would be perfect to have ALL the leagues updated - especially El Salvador :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: piootrek86 on 04 May 2016, 21:20:37
still looking for someone to update polish teams?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 21:33:00
Yes!! Great great great! I get so excited!

I can easily do the French Ligue 1 & 2

I have made updates for another fansite years ago, I can do also any country needed.

cool idea!

I'd love to take care of the Argentine leagues, or maybe the whole South America...

it would be perfect to have ALL the leagues updated - especially El Salvador :D

Great! You're in, guys!!
Please make sure to follow updating rules!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 May 2016, 23:40:22
Question by email:
Please use the price table from first post!

@ armando: Please update your skill generator according to our price table.
@ all: For now, you can use the inbuilt function of SWOES1.3 to generate skills.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 05 May 2016, 00:28:48
I'd like to help with an update for Cologne ;)

Sorry, Andy! Single teams cannot be updated. But you can put your name in the ring for the German leagues... :)

Yes you can Philipp! Using the old editor you can copy paste the team using the clipboard function. However u can not extract a single team into a single file. So basically he could edit just cologne in the german league file, and afterwards copy paste. :)

But of course it would make more sense to do all of the german league.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 05 May 2016, 00:37:33
you can sign me up for the entire South America - leagues and national teams

of course if someone is eager to help with those I will share :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 05 May 2016, 01:28:14
hi playa

put me down for the scotland national team too mate.

cheers

gaz
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: joddy on 05 May 2016, 04:48:34
awesome just awesome long live sensi
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: joddy on 05 May 2016, 04:49:54
sorry ps many thanks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 05 May 2016, 05:51:09
I'm still looking for a code monkey who could do a port of the RNC in php...
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 May 2016, 10:24:46
hi playa

put me down for the scotland national team too mate.

cheers

gaz

Done! :)

you can sign me up for the entire South America - leagues and national teams

of course if someone is eager to help with those I will share :)

This is fantastic! Welcome to the team, xflea! Great to have an expert in!


Redhair & myself will take of German leagues and national team.



First post updated, editors assigned!  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 05 May 2016, 10:47:46
I´ll do Clogland and the Faroe Islands :).

I started a massive national team update (including CONIFA / NF-Board etc.), and someday I'll finish it (I hope in time for the 2018 WC Finals).
Biggest problem was where to put all countries (has to be in Club teams, I think I had 317 "countries", and there are a few more that have been formed since).

Where's this going to? Well, I like looking for info into some of the non-mainstream teams/leagues but it all depends on time after the summer deadline day.
When is a realistic moment to start researching / creating teams?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Calenulma on 05 May 2016, 11:24:19
Quote
So, if you are interested in this project, contribute to it and submit an update for your country's leagues!
Anything you need for Portugal/portuguese just drop me a line via PM.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: maharaja on 05 May 2016, 12:27:42
I can do Serbian league. I guess I would just take top 10 teams from this season.

Bytheway, it would really help if you would set a clear deadline when this has to be finished. Also a deadline for different stages, alpha, beta and final version.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 May 2016, 12:39:02
I can do Serbian league. I guess I would just take top 10 teams from this season.

Bytheway, it would really help if you would set a clear deadline when this has to be finished. Also a deadline for different stages, alpha, beta and final version.

Great to have you in!
Correct, rename Yugoslavia and go for the top 10 teams this season!

Check first post for clear deadline! It's there, in big fat red letters! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rocko on 05 May 2016, 12:50:21
Great project! Thanks :)

I can do Turkish league.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 May 2016, 12:50:52
I´ll do Clogland and the Faroe Islands :).

When is a realistic moment to start researching / creating teams?

Great! You're assigned!
National teams could be done after the EURO. Maybe some retiring players then... Clubs, you can start now, and add latest transfers in August. Work steady... ;)



Using the old editor you can copy paste the team using the clipboard function. However u can not extract a single team into a single file. So basically he could edit just cologne in the german league file, and afterwards copy paste. :)


I know, Poul. This will come in very handy when putting together the national teams which are updated standalone. ;)


Great project! Thanks :)

I can do Turkish league.

Nice1! Assigned!




@ ALL: PLEASE MAKE SURE TO ABIDE TO UPDATE RULES! THANK YOU!

DEADLINE = 30th SEPTEMBER!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 05 May 2016, 13:31:07
Great project indeed  :)

What happened to 85-100k in the original post's price table?
Price table in Armando's skill generator v2.1 is different, which may lead to confusion.
Also, the generator seems a bit too random still, compared to one in SWOES, I managed to get some pretty useless players :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 May 2016, 13:38:13
Great project indeed  :)

What happened to 85-100k in the original post's price table?
Price table in Armando's skill generator v2.1 is different, which may lead to confusion.
Also, the generator seems a bit too random still, compared to one in SWOES, I managed to get some pretty useless players :)

Correct. Armando's skill-gen needs to be updated!
For now, please reference to price table from 1st post, and use SWOES to generate skills.

1st post updated!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 05 May 2016, 14:37:46
I could do Croatia, but my computer refuses to run the executable? I can set it in the editor, just can't run it.

P. S. Not that we should be too worried, but SWOS updates discriminate against older players as SWOS players don't age and old players are much cheaper IRL on the account of retiring soon, therefore sometimes much worse in the game. I always used to compensate for that.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 May 2016, 14:53:53
I could do Croatia, but my computer refuses to run the executable? I can set it in the editor, just can't run it.

Nice1, assigned you to Croatia! League + National team!

PS: Use host.bat to start the game! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 05 May 2016, 15:24:14
That's better ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 May 2016, 19:20:26
Quote
So, if you are interested in this project, contribute to it and submit an update for your country's leagues!
Anything you need for Portugal/portuguese just drop me a line via PM.

Thanks! Assigned! :)

Updated assignments:  http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 05 May 2016, 19:41:00
Hi Guys,

Not been here for a long time but received the email today about this project and I'd love to help out.

I may need some tips with the editior and a little advice but I'm confident about doing it. One question : why must the skill data be in the 0-7 range and not any 8-15?

Put me down for the English Premier and Championship leagues and Also the national team. If I manage ok and have the time I will do the rest of the English leagues also!

Thanks.

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 05 May 2016, 20:42:35
Hi Guys,

Not been here for a long time but received the email today about this project and I'd love to help out.

I may need some tips with the editior and a little advice but I'm confident about doing it. One question : why must the skill data be in the 0-7 range and not any 8-15?

Put me down for the English Premier and Championship leagues and Also the national team. If I manage ok and have the time I will do the rest of the English leagues also!

Thanks.

Ok if you do BPL and Champ I can do League One and Two :)

Playa! I want to do Brazil and Japan :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 May 2016, 23:07:26
Put me down for the English Premier and Championship leagues and Also the national team.

Ok if you do BPL and Champ I can do League One and Two :)

Playa! I want to do Brazil and Japan :)


Both assigned! And welcome back, Gavin!
@Gorzo: Brazil is already taken by our South American expert xlfea! But Japan is now all yours... ;)

Check: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0

One question : why must the skill data be in the 0-7 range and not any 8-15?

Because reviewing the updates will be much easier then! And you get a max. of 49 skill points per player which may not be surpassed.


@ all: Check out this website:

www.soccerway.com/teams/club-teams/ 
www.soccerway.com/teams/national-teams/

This might help, especially for the likes of Bermuda...  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 05 May 2016, 23:30:12
I don´t know now if i cant do a lot of leagues, but sure i do 4 or 5.  Therefore apart from the Spanish league, for the present time I can update also the Swiss league and the Belgian league.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 May 2016, 23:46:10
I don´t know now if i cant do a lot of leagues, but sure i do 4 or 5.  Therefore apart from the Spanish league, for the present time I can update also the Swiss league and the Belgian league.

Assigned Swiss & Belgium league to you!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 May 2016, 10:37:19
I will take care of all National Teams from Oceania.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 06 May 2016, 11:37:43
I'll take the National Teams of North America
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 06 May 2016, 11:43:42
bit confused about the values of the players if using the SwoEditor1.3

do i go off the € value on the transfermarket.de or use the £ values that i'm used to then generate the skills?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 May 2016, 11:54:10
As it says in the price table:
Transfermark.de €  --> SWOS £
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: retsam on 06 May 2016, 16:43:06
I am offering my help for Polish national team and Polish Football League as well. Haven't done that before, so a user guide would be highly welcome. :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 May 2016, 17:26:41
I am offering my help for Polish national team and Polish Football League as well. Haven't done that before, so a user guide would be highly welcome. :)

Hey, thanks for the offer. But the Polish league + national team are already assigned to someone else.
Check assignments here: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0

Maybe you are up for some other league?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 08 May 2016, 13:41:26
Will take over all NATIONAL TEAMS of ASIA!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 08 May 2016, 14:14:37
I can start editing Japan file :) Playaveli you can add me to Albania and Austria files :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 08 May 2016, 14:24:43
I can start editing Japan file :) Playaveli you can add me to Albania and Austria files :)

Yes, everybody can start with work-load of editing right now. After August has passed, edit the transfers.
Assigned Albanian and Austrian league to you! Good job!! :)

PS: Always remember: Do not change number of teams in the leagues. Keep original 96/97 structure!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 09 May 2016, 09:47:36
I'll take over African national teams
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 09 May 2016, 10:08:20
I'll take over African national teams


Yea, good job! Knew I could count on you! :)

Assignments entirely updated: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: tim on 09 May 2016, 11:37:13
Hi guys, I haven't read through the entire topic yet but I have some remarks on the Transfermarkt->SWOS conversion table you're using. Market values are not only linked to overall level but also to age: older players have a lower market value and younger players have a higher market value. In order to counter this I have made a more realistic conversion table in excel. If anyone wants to have a look at this excel file you can contact me by email on timstaes@telenet.be

As I am quite new to this forum (although a veteran SWOS player/editor) let me introduce myself: My name is Tim, I'm 39 years old and I've been working for EA Sports as player database editor ever since FIFA06. I have always been a SWOS fan and I update several leagues for personal use every year.

I'm willing to sign up for the Belgian league and any league you are still missing editors for (if I can spare the time). Actually I already was planning a full 16/17 update before I visited your forum due to the 20th anniversary anyway :-)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 09 May 2016, 12:22:48
Maybe the solution could be use any overall skillvalue from another game/db. It should be correlated better with skills as the market value (because of age).

In SWOS (for pixelplayers and for players like us) there is no such thing as ageing :) a SWOS player is ageless.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 09 May 2016, 12:36:39
Hello Tim, nice intro! Welcome, mate!
Just take a look at current assignments: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Please post a league you are interested in taking care of. Belgium isn't free anymore...

To make you understand:
We kept updating rules as simple as possible, so that everyone will be able to help & update teams. There will be no changes to that now.
If someone thinks a player is a little undervalued because of age, please feel free to adjust price in a realistic/balanced sense and post a remark about it, when team file is finished.
Don't bother too much with that.

Each team file will be reviewed anyway, by Marin, xflea and me.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: alpino on 10 May 2016, 02:56:32
I can take Turkish National Team
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 10 May 2016, 16:15:56
I can take Turkish National Team

Great! Assigned you!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: teso1987 on 10 May 2016, 20:09:54
Great news guys! :)

I was so happy when I saw this topic, It's great idea for 20th anniversary of last official swos.

I could help with Croatian league and natioanl team but sadly, I have so litlle time because of my work... I'm so sad that I can't help, I have update my home Croatian laegue every year from 2000 to 2010, and last season as well, and Swos is big part of my childhood.

Good luck to all and I can't wait to play swos 16/17! :)





 

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 11 May 2016, 16:07:55
How do the goalkeepers work in game? Are they all the same?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 11 May 2016, 16:14:45
How do the goalkeepers work in game? Are they all the same?

I think the higher their value, the better their chances (based on some unknown cpu calculation) to keep the goal clean... :P
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: ElMichaJ on 11 May 2016, 16:18:53
skills of players 0 to 7

skill of keeper 0 to 49 (displayed by the money value)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 11 May 2016, 16:29:10
Goalkeeper strength is determined by their price!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 11 May 2016, 16:42:30
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 11 May 2016, 21:00:26
OK.
Just to check I started one team (B36 Torshavn, Faroese champions).
I used all data on transfermarket.com, so the positions are....weird :).

I attached the Excel list I used and the corresponding Editor file.

Am I doing this right?


By the way...are you allowed to change the name of the league?
Seeing as the Faroese Premier League is called the Effodeildin.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 11 May 2016, 21:11:59
Looks good, but what tactics? Can U edit your post and add a tactic screenshot from editor, too?

By the way...are you allowed to change the name of the league?
Seeing as the Faroese Premier League is called the Effodeildin.

Yes, you are! But, save file and play-test in PC SWOS, to see if league name works correctly, in career mode!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 11 May 2016, 21:15:49
Done. They played 4-4-1-1 in the Champions League qualifiers but according to the data on transfermarket they usually only use 3 what the website calls defenders. Some games only 2 :S. Most common was 3-5-2.

And thanks, I'll play/test it, but maybe I should leave that up to who adds all files?

Thing I never knew...there are 12 Faroe teams in SWOS, 10 in the Premier League and 2 Non-League teams.

Also...the league ends on October the 22nd...so will there be an update after the September 30th deadline? ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 11 May 2016, 21:17:47
Change the following to match SWOS tactics:

4 = LB
7 = RW
5 = LW
11 = A

Then, squad matches SWOS standards, with correct positions.
Otherwise, they will underperform cpu-controlled.

Best example from 96/97: Barcelona, screwed up positions, that's why they never win Primera division in career mode, when you coach abroad.


Also...the league ends on October the 22nd...so will there be an update after the September 30th deadline? ;)

HAHA! :) Good call, Rock! We'll recheck when time's due...
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 11 May 2016, 21:20:53
Change the following to match SWOS tactics:

4 = LB
7 = RW
5 = LW
11 = A

Then, squad matches SWOS standards, with correct positions.

That's what I needed to know. There were no LB's so I am allowed to create one :). Thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: michaels on 12 May 2016, 00:05:46
I'd like to take Italian National team. I have experience in editing in SWOES for myself.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Salva on 12 May 2016, 00:17:04
I would like to take Spanish national team. As my CV I attached screenshot of sensiblesoccer.de from 2004 with me on 20th place :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 12 May 2016, 09:37:45
For a lot of teams on transfermarkt under PLAYER>PERFORMANCE DATA there is a PLAYED POSITIONS section.
That way you might be able to see e.g. what player played LB the most even if no one is a natural LB.

In fact, that's how original SWOS worked too - players were assigned a position they played in their club, not their ideal/preffered position.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 12 May 2016, 10:00:38
@rock: good to see that I am not the only one preparing the team data in an excel sheet first...  8)

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 12 May 2016, 13:25:57
@rock: good to see that I am not the only one preparing the team data in an excel sheet first...  8)



Sweet  ;D . Here's a screenshot of my National Team Update which I started in 2013...
Eventually it'll have all "nations" of the world. FIFA and non-FIFA :D .
I'll finish it in time for the 2018 World Cup :D .
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 May 2016, 15:23:22
I'd like to take Italian National team. I have experience in editing in SWOES for myself.

Hey michaels, thanks for the offer. Italy (leagues / national team) is already been taken care of. Maybe some other team?
Check assignment list!  http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0

I would like to take Spanish national team. As my CV I attached screenshot of sensiblesoccer.de from 2004 with me on 20th place :)

Hey Salva. Great, thanks. Make sure to follow update rules, to calculate player value/skills
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26242.0

Great screenshot from 2004 Sega ranking... oh dear, 12 years ago!!  :)




For a lot of teams on transfermarkt under PLAYER>PERFORMANCE DATA there is a PLAYED POSITIONS section.
That way you might be able to see e.g. what player played LB the most even if no one is a natural LB.

In fact, that's how original SWOS worked too - players were assigned a position they played in their club, not their ideal/preffered position.

Correct! ;)



Attached you find Japan and China, prepared for 16/17.
You see, real life 4-2-3-1 tactic has been transformed to 4-2-4 in SWOS. Works very well.
It's just an example for you all!

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 12 May 2016, 16:05:19
Question: What does the rating (the percentage you can see in Team Value in the SWOS Editor) do, and can you modify it?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 12 May 2016, 16:20:19
About 4231 into 424 - is that team specific?
Because in croatian league everyone and their mother is playing 4231 and looking at the positions of players fielded, theirs are closer to 451.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 May 2016, 16:22:07
About 4231 into 424 - is that team specific?
Because in croatian league everyone and their mother is playing 4231 and looking at the positions of players fielded, theirs are closer to 451.

Well spotted. 4-5-1 is also a good alternative.

Question: What does the rating (the percentage you can see in Team Value in the SWOS Editor) do, and can you modify it?

100% would be super teams, with 100% skills set! ;) It''s just an indicator. Nothing to bother about.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 12 May 2016, 16:23:30
Question: What does the rating (the percentage you can see in Team Value in the SWOS Editor) do, and can you modify it?

You can't directly modify it. It shows team strength, probably in terms of % of maximum skills player have.
However it seems it doesn't take into account 15 = 7.
I've no time to test it, but it's something alone those lines :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 12 May 2016, 16:29:11
I have some teams in the Faroes who play without attackers :D
So if I use Transfermarket I get strange formations like 6-4-0 and 5-5-0.
6-3-1 is also sometimes used.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 12 May 2016, 16:39:34
I have some teams in the Faroes who play without attackers :D
So if I use Transfermarket I get strange formations like 6-4-0 and 5-5-0.
6-3-1 is also sometimes used.

What team, can you give an example?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: atilla on 12 May 2016, 16:50:26
Guys, how will be the nationalities presented?

For example Serbia.

I hope it will be SRB and also our original flag! :)

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 12 May 2016, 16:51:48

What team, can you give an example?

http://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/2684237

I have data on the Europa League / Champions League formations, but the domestic games are a bit harder.
My Faroese is getting better though 8)

Concerning Serbia...I have one Serb in the Faroe Islands but I had to make him Yugoslavian in the Editor.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 May 2016, 17:04:59
Guys, how will be the nationalities presented?

For example Serbia.

I hope it will be SRB and also our original flag! :)



Hmmm, I never saw a flag in SWOS! ;)
But about changing YUG to SRB, that should be possible.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 May 2016, 17:06:34

What team, can you give an example?

http://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/2684237

I have data on the Europa League / Champions League formations, but the domestic games are a bit harder.
My Faroese is getting better though 8)

Concerning Serbia...I have one Serb in the Faroe Islands but I had to make him Yugoslavian in the Editor.

Colin, check:
http://www.transfermarkt.com/vikingur-gota/startseite/verein/24832/saison_id/2015

Clearly one attacker in the last line-up!

Strikers   Andreas Lava Olsen

And:
http://www.transfermarkt.com/ki-klaksvik/startseite/verein/6170/saison_id/2015

Strikers   Páll Klettskard




Always take team site of transfermarkt! Not the fixture site!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 12 May 2016, 17:18:12
But about changing YUG to SRB, that should be possible.

I've changed all the serbs to YUG. But there are also players from montenegro which... are also YUG?

SWOS - abolishing national independence by force, since 1994 :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 12 May 2016, 17:21:17
But about changing YUG to SRB, that should be possible.

I've changed all the serbs to YUG. But there are also players from montenegro which... are also YUG?

SWOS - abolishing national independence by force, since 1994 :D

Does this effect national squads in career mode?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 12 May 2016, 17:28:11
@Playaveli: Yes, I have them. Just some games they appear to not use what Transfermarket calls Forwards.
E.g. the game I posted.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 May 2016, 18:33:20
But about changing YUG to SRB, that should be possible.

I've changed all the serbs to YUG. But there are also players from montenegro which... are also YUG?

SWOS - abolishing national independence by force, since 1994 :D

Does this effect national squads in career mode?

Correct!

@ Sida: Yes, you did it well. For now, all ex-yu players from countries which are not present in SWOS --> YUG!  (except the Croatians --> CRO)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 12 May 2016, 19:39:38
@ Sida: Yes, you did it well. For now, all ex-yu players from countries which are not present in SWOS --> YUG!  (except the Croatians --> CRO)

Slovenia, Bosnia and Macedonia are also in the game so it's just Serbia and Montenegro playing under YUG. And Kosovo. *awkward silence*

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 May 2016, 19:59:56
@ Sida: Yes, you did it well. For now, all ex-yu players from countries which are not present in SWOS --> YUG!  (except the Croatians --> CRO)

Slovenia, Bosnia and Macedonia are also in the game so it's just Serbia and Montenegro playing under YUG. And Kosovo. *awkward silence*

Correct! Thanks.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: michaels on 12 May 2016, 22:10:21
I'd like to take Italian National team. I have experience in editing in SWOES for myself.

Hey michaels, thanks for the offer. Italy (leagues / national team) is already been taken care of. Maybe some other team?
Check assignment list!  http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0

Hey Playaveli, there is no assignment for Italy on this list http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0 ?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 May 2016, 22:26:01
Ah, yes... only the Italian leagues are assigned.
Sure thing, you are most welcome to do the ITALY national team. ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 13 May 2016, 01:48:10
OK.
Just to check I started one team (B36 Torshavn, Faroese champions).
I used all data on transfermarket.com, so the positions are....weird :).

I attached the Excel list I used and the corresponding Editor file.

Am I doing this right?


By the way...are you allowed to change the name of the league?
Seeing as the Faroese Premier League is called the Effodeildin.

hello i tested your team in Skill generator V3.4

this is the team generate automatically  with the tactic 4-4-2

the numbers are the originaly but when will be save change 1 to 16

i will like test teams

thanks :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 13 May 2016, 06:55:34
Nice job!
I've done 6 of the 12 teams in the Faroes so far (the Premier League has 10, and there are 2 non-league teams there,
I'm doing them too just to be safe :)).

I'll post my spreadsheet when I've done if you like so you can use it to test stuff.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 13 May 2016, 11:30:50
I'm "playing" my SWOS update like an RPG...
Looking at height of all the players in the same position and adding HE modifiers
Same for goals, assists, etc.
Making old players more skillful and less speedy and vice versa  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: atilla on 13 May 2016, 11:54:40
I'm "playing" my SWOS update like an RPG...
Looking at height of all the players in the same position and adding HE modifiers
Same for goals, assists, etc.
Making old players more skillful and less speedy and vice versa  ;D

How do you figure out the skills for players you never seen?

What's your resource for this besides of transfermarkt?

Also, anyone using or used the skills from some Football Manager?

That would be maybe  a good thing to create/generate SWOS skills for players from Championship Manager(for example)!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 13 May 2016, 12:37:46
Do the player squad numbers have any effect on the game? Does the first team have to be in the range 1-11 for it to work?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 13 May 2016, 13:15:49
How do you figure out the skills for players you never seen?

I don't! I'm using SWOES generated skills but with modifiers based on player stats and attributes.
E.g. SWOS has no jumpin or balance so it's safe to say that a 194cm player is better at "heading than 172cm tall player.
Same goes for old players. We're being unfair to them as transfermarkt prices depend on player age and they'll be worse players in SWOS than they really are.

What's your resource for this besides of transfermarkt?

None. Well, league statistics for some stuff. When I watched the croatian championship I used to make players with "real skills" but SWOS is not a fan of that.
They get run over by teams with generated skills. SWOS likes players with it's own skill redistribution.

Also, anyone using or used the skills from some Football Manager?

I looked into this way before and always had the feeling they only got the skills right for the most famous players. They probably don't bother, or it would take them a lifetime :)

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 13 May 2016, 13:17:49
Do the player squad numbers have any effect on the game?

Probably not? Playaveli?


Does the first team have to be in the range 1-11 for it to work?

I don't think so, but I think we've agreed on using 1-11 to maintain the spirit of the original/or some other reaon.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 13 May 2016, 23:07:41
OK, this is version 1.0 of the Faroe Islands league + the Excel file I use.
The league should be called the Effodeildin, but I didn't dare edit the name :).

I've uploaded the files to show people how I've tried to tackle the project.

I used www.transfermarkt.com as a base to determine the most used formation, a player's preferred position and his value.
Most teams didn't have players set to backs/wingers so I guessed a bit :).

I combined this with www.footballzz.com. Here they list the minutes played per player so this gave me an even better idea
who I should put in the first 11 / the full 16. Problem is this site places players in different positions than transfermarket.
So sometimes a defender on transfermarket was an attacker on footballzz and vice versa.
The site also has a lot of players' photos, so I used this to decide which head/hair-type to use (though I'm useless at the
difference between blonde (Y in my Excel file) and brown (B).

I also tried to find each team's 2016 strips, but Faroese football isn't all that well-documented...and my Faroese isn't all
that good ;).

I name this version 1.0 because I have only used the player values on transfermarket to create the teams (and let swosed
assign the player attribures because it's hard to find more information).

Things to do before the final deadline:
- Tweak the teams to give the best teams an advantage (e.g. B36 are the reigning champions).
- Change teams to facilitate transfers etc. before the September deadline.
- There are 12 teams; 10 in the Effodeildin and 2 Non-League. The two non-league teams I've created are the two teams
  relegated from the Premier League in 2015. The 2016 season ends October 22nd. With a bit of luck we'll know which
  10 teams will play in the PL in 2017. The two teams relegated will be the new Non-League teams.
- Other changes for mistakes etc..

I've already had two playthroughs and B36 actually won both titles which was probably just luck. The rest of the league needs rebalancing.
I couldn't get the game to crash with this file, so I guess it works :).

In other news; I'm going to hand the Netherlands leagues and national side back because I know there are people who would like to tackle them.
So could you remove my name from them please. If no-one claims them in the next month or so, I'll re-claim them :).
In return, I'll do the Icelandic league + national team, and I'll do the El Salvador leagues. These will take a bit more time due to work commitments the coming weeks.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: atilla on 14 May 2016, 07:58:12
http://soccerwiki.org/wiki.php
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 May 2016, 09:33:03
http://soccerwiki.org/wiki.php

This site doesn't really work for the Faroes seeing as the teams are from last season and they usually only have one player per team.
It's a great site for the bigger leagues though :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 14 May 2016, 10:05:00
I combined this with www.footballzz.com. Here they list the minutes played per player so this gave me an even better idea
who I should put in the first 11 / the full 16.

Rock on transfermarkt.de you have the option who played how many minutes :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 May 2016, 11:24:34
I combined this with www.footballzz.com. Here they list the minutes played per player so this gave me an even better idea
who I should put in the first 11 / the full 16.

Rock on transfermarkt.de you have the option who played how many minutes :)


Yes, but I combined it with the other site because I saw some indescrepencies, and I found that site handier :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 May 2016, 12:38:27
I set the players with transfer value 0 to value 25k- in swosed. Then pressed the triangle to create the skills automatically.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 May 2016, 12:50:47
I know 0-7 = 8-15, but I think the 0-7 range was only if you manually edited the skills. Then again I might be wrong.
As it stands I have to re-edit the whole file because my team.011 crashes. I just want to figure out why so I don't make
the same mistake twice. That's the reason I have the Excel files, they're the most time consuming and the most important to keep atm :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 14 May 2016, 12:57:05
As it stands I have to re-edit the whole file because my team.011 crashes. I just want to figure out why...

OK man, I'll take a look at the file too, see if I can come up with anything!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 May 2016, 13:40:15
That's what I thought too. Changed it; same result.

If I take the original file and import any one updated team into it...it still crashes.

Strange :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 14 May 2016, 16:26:37
Sorry, file looks good to me.  Really can't find anything in the hex, and I can import all 12 teams fine.

if is ok we can add the name of teams and ID to database for future fast updates (*.csv)

GENERAL ID   TEAM NAME   TEAM FILE
1066   B36 TORSHAVN   11
1067   B68 TOFTIR   11
1068   AB ARGIR   11
1069   VIKINGUR GOTA   11
1070   HB TORSHAVN   11
1071   IF FUGLAFJORDUR   11
1072   KI KLAKSVIK   11
1073   FC SUDUROY   11
1074   NSI RUNAVIK   11
1075   EB / STREYMUR   11
1076   TB TVOROYRI   11
1077   SKALA IF   11

anybody have te database of actual teams?

i have this 96-97
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybbqd6al8qo46wg/teams%2096-97.txt?dl=0

thanks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 May 2016, 16:28:45
@ALL: Please don't attach team files to your post. Send them to playaveli@sensiblesoccer.de ! I will create an online folder and add all editors to a mailing list.

This is for quite a few reasons:
- To prevent things like THIS (http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26253.0)
- Keeping this topic clean from questions like "when is it ready?" "why you edit like this?" etc.
- To release this game as a whole thing, rather than piece by piece.



Do the player squad numbers have any effect on the game?

Probably not? Playaveli?


Does the first team have to be in the range 1-11 for it to work?

I don't think so, but I think we've agreed on using 1-11 to maintain the spirit of the original/or some other reaon.


Correct, shirt numbers have no effect!
And, yes, use 1-11 for starting 11.





OK, this is version 1.0 of the Faroe Islands league + the Excel file I use.
The league should be called the Effodeildin, but I didn't dare edit the name :).

...

I've already had two playthroughs and B36 actually won both titles which was probably just luck. The rest of the league needs rebalancing.
I couldn't get the game to crash with this file, so I guess it works :).

In other news; I'm going to hand the Netherlands leagues and national side back because I know there are people who would like to tackle them.
So could you remove my name from them please. If no-one claims them in the next month or so, I'll re-claim them :).
In return, I'll do the Icelandic league + national team, and I'll do the El Salvador leagues. These will take a bit more time due to work commitments the coming weeks.


Well done, Rock!!  :)  I will take care of changing the league names.
Updated assignments. Thanks!




@ higgi:
- Easy solution for your website: Code it that way, that upon team file upload skill points ranges from 8-15 will be transformed to 0-7 automatically. Possible?



I set the players with transfer value 0 to value 25k- in swosed. Then pressed the triangle to create the skills automatically.

Totally fine!



Damn.

The file I uploaded crashes after you play 1 career game.
I've tried importing individual teams into the original file, but as soon as I import one, the file crashes again.
Any ideas? Otherwise I'll just have to re-enter them again.

Is it because I edited the 2 non-league teams too?

?? Tested it... works fine!
What kind of error message you get? In DOS window/prompt?




@armando: Please use skill generator topic for more updates on your excel file. Thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 May 2016, 16:47:23
@ higgi:
- Easy solution for your website: Code it that way, that upon team file upload skill points ranges from 8-15 will be transformed to 0-7 automatically. Possible?


Absolutely, consider it done!

Do you know the actual effect of the 8-15 range in the game? Special skills (like "FSV") or extra wages in career mode?

There has been constant debate about this for years.
Most probably, it has something to do with player wages in career mode. But your guess about the skill letters was also a favorite one!

After all, it doesn't matter, because the on-pitch-effect is just the same. ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 May 2016, 17:02:50
@Playa:

The crash I get is after playing or simulating a game in Career in the Faroese league.
I'll try a full reinstall to see if that corrects my problem.
If it does, strange that the original team.011 doesn't crash on my pc, this one does.
I can't see an error message. The screen just shows part of the league table in green on a black screen and quits.

Concerning uploading things here; well I wanted one file here to help people edit and to create / test stuff.
The rest will all be mailed :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 May 2016, 17:21:12
@Playa:

The crash I get is after playing or simulating a game in Career in the Faroese league.
I'll try a full reinstall to see if that corrects my problem.
If it does, strange that the original team.011 doesn't crash on my pc, this one does.
I can't see an error message. The screen just shows part of the league table in green on a black screen and quits.

Concerning uploading things here; well I wanted one file here to help people edit and to create / test stuff.
The rest will all be mailed :D

Okidoke! I will simulate a full season, again.
For current kits (is it that what you meant by "strips"?), wikipedia does a good job: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands_Premier_League#2016_teams
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 May 2016, 17:24:17
Yes: kits = strips.

In the Excel sheet I used Wikipedia's suggestions, only a few are wrong for this season or wiki doesn't have them.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 May 2016, 18:03:52
@Playa: Send me the team.011 please (you removed it here). Maybe the version on my computer is corrupt :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 May 2016, 19:32:02
@Playa: Send me the team.011 please (you removed it here). Maybe the version on my computer is corrupt :).

Managed to replicate your error.
Will investigate this further...

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 May 2016, 19:53:36
Hm, opened editor, change B36's keeper's price from 25k- to 25k (rather random edit), saved file again.
Works.

Check career file attached. Does this work for you?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 May 2016, 21:04:13
The career file works. Played through 6 seasons no crashes.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 May 2016, 11:52:15
The career file works. Played through 6 seasons no crashes.

Have you tried to play another career from scratch? Still crashing (if yes, make a minor edit, like mentioned above)?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 15 May 2016, 13:08:14
Still crashes with the minor change you posted
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 May 2016, 15:21:23
Still crashes with the minor change you posted

Don't mind. That error has nothing to do with yourself having made a mistake. Must have other reasons (forwarded it to Zlatko).



Finished all national teams of ASIA and OCEANIA. Will recheck them in September for latest changes.
Assigned myself to the Baltic leagues (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania). Starting now!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 15 May 2016, 16:08:33
OK thanks mate!
Started Iceland, my Icelandic is worse than my Faroese :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 15 May 2016, 17:50:27
HELLo

SAN MARINO LEAGUE is now Bosnia y Herzegovine league?

TEAM.032

and  YUGOSLAVIA is now Serbia?

TEAM.041

when i open the files, there are  Bosnia y Herzegovine league and Servia Superliga
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 15 May 2016, 18:06:39
I think you are right armando.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 15 May 2016, 18:40:11

INDIA LEAGUE is now
Qatar Stars League

TEAM.075

i think is better than the others leagues
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 15 May 2016, 18:50:16
Armando: I think the idea is to keep the same leagues as 96/97. So India should remain India, San Marino should stay San Marino.
Only Yugoslavia changes to Serbia.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 15 May 2016, 18:53:34
Armando: I think the idea is to keep the same leagues as 96/97. So India should remain India, San Marino should stay San Marino.
Only Yugoslavia changes to Serbia.

i am opening the files of playaveli

the leagues were updated to those leagues

TEAM.078 are  league of ESLOVENIA (not ESLOVAQUIA)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 15 May 2016, 19:03:22
96-97      2015-206
      
ALBANIA      ALBANIA
ARMENIA      ARMENIA
AUSTRIA      AUSTRIA
AZERBAIJAN      AZERBAIJAN
BELARUS      BELARUS
BELGIUM      BELGIUM
BULGARIA      BULGARIA
CROATIA      CROATIA
CYPRUS      CYPRUS
CZECH REPUBLIC      CZECH REPUBLIC
DENMARK      DENMARK
ENGLAND      ENGLAND
ESTONIA      ESTONIA
FAROE ISLES      FAROE ISLES
FINLAND      FINLAND
FRANCE      FRANCE
GEORGIA      GEORGIA
GERMANY      GERMANY
GREECE      GREECE
HOLLAND      HOLLAND
HUNGARY      HUNGARY
ICELAND      ICELAND
ISRAEL      ISRAEL
ITALY      ITALY
LATVIA      LATVIA
LIECHTENSTEIN      LIECHTENSTEIN
LITHUANIA      LITHUANIA
LUXEMBOURG      LUXEMBOURG
MACEDONIA      MACEDONIA
MALTA      BOSNIA AND HZG.
MOLDOVA      MOLDOVA
NORTHERN IRELAND      NORTHERN IRELAND
NORWAY      NORWAY
POLAND      POLAND
PORTUGAL      PORTUGAL
REPUBLIC IRELAND      REPUBLIC IRELAND
ROMANIA      ROMANIA
RUSSIA      RUSSIA
SAN MARINO      MONTENEGRO
SCOTLAND      SCOTLAND
SLOVAKIA      SLOVAKIA
SLOVENIA      SLOVENIA
SPAIN      SPAIN
SWEDEN      SWEDEN
SWITZERLAND      SWITZERLAND
TURKEY      TURKEY
UKRAINE      UKRAINE
WALES      WALES
YUGOSLAVIA      SERBIA

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 15 May 2016, 19:05:05
Strange because e.g. Malta is in the editor assignments.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 15 May 2016, 19:13:07
Yes, we have to keep the leagues with 96-97 season :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 15 May 2016, 19:53:17
Yes, we have to keep the leagues with 96-97 season :)

But at same players change, teams change, countries chage from 96-97 to actual,
leagues could be actuals 2016-2017

Bosnia y Herzegovine league and Servia Superliga, Qatar Stars League
etc

i am only open the files , the teams and leagues in are the news
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 May 2016, 20:27:30
Armando: I think the idea is to keep the same leagues as 96/97. So India should remain India, San Marino should stay San Marino.
Only Yugoslavia changes to Serbia.

Correct!

@all: This is the version we base updates on: http://files.swos.eu/SWOS9697.zip
UNCHANGED original 96/97!

@armando: Do not mix it up with the 15/16 updates!! They have nothing to do with this project!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 15 May 2016, 20:43:39
Armando: I think the idea is to keep the same leagues as 96/97. So India should remain India, San Marino should stay San Marino.
Only Yugoslavia changes to Serbia.

Correct!


@armando: Do not mix it up with the 15/16 updates!! They have nothing to do with this project!


ok, i am going to check this files :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 16 May 2016, 22:16:07
Busy with Iceland at the moment: 8/13 done.
One quick bit of added information on the problems with the Faroe Islands update.
I had an old career in the Faroe Islands with the original team.011.
I replaced the team.011 with my version.
After finishing a season the new season had no league games, only cup games....
Maybe that can help debug it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 17 May 2016, 13:06:37
Thanks, Rock!
Update: Finished ESTONIA league!

Moving on to LATVIA league now!

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 17 May 2016, 13:10:27
<shameless_plug>
Hey playa, how about creating an account and uploading to your dataset as the files are ready... then we can all take a look  ;D
</shameless_plug>
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 17 May 2016, 18:28:15
Looking for a few fun-filled hours of football related internet?
Try finding all necessary information to update the El Salvador league :D.

Man oh man. Teams have to buy their spot in the league.
Some teams bought other teams spot, then reappear a few seasons later.
There's one team in the Primera (Firpo) who bought Juventud Independiente's spot.
So now they play in the Primera, and in the Segunda.
They were too late to register their name, so they have to use Juventud's name in
the Primera (though the strip etc. is Firpo's), and in the Segunda they use their affiliate :D.

Team information (especially away kits) is sometimes hard to find (e.g. non-existant).
Player names are even harder.

Using the Primera and Segunda Divisions I can fill the first three SWOS leagues.
I can find Wikipedia entries for 12 more teams in the different groups of the Tercera...so they are going to form the bottom league :).
Names are harder, so I might have to be....uhhh...creative......
Marino Parusco, José Playaveli, Colinha, Andibinho, or maybe a lot of dudes called Fernandez, Hernandez etc. :)

Oh, just because they have their own spot in SWOS history as being the worst team in the game...
11 Wolves will not be the worst team this time as they will play in the 2nd El Salvador League.
Did you guys know they are the oldest team in El Salvador that still plays association football?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 17 May 2016, 18:34:09
Maybe there's an El Salvador forum somewhere where you could make friends with some  fans...?   ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 17 May 2016, 18:37:49
Hehe. I know a little bit of Spanish, but only a little bit. Never heard of the LW star Higgipocchia? :P

There are Facebook pages etc, so if I really can't find stuff I might send out a few emails...in English :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 17 May 2016, 18:41:01
Higgipocchia? Of course! Not only a star player, but a LARGE WHITE STAR player  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 17 May 2016, 18:47:13
Just as an aside, I hope people are being more conservative with their ratings than in previous updates. Just my opinion of course, but a lot updates in the past have had way too many white star players! And average professional journeymen were all getting big yellow stars.

For example original swos has one of the greatest midfield players ever, Roy Keane (coming from a Liverpool fan!) as a big yellow star at his peak. Not many midfielders today are BETTER than Keano.

I feel small white stars should be reserved for magically special players. Big white stars only for players who could be considered the greatest of all time in their position. Messi, Ronaldo, yes. Eden Hazard? No!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 17 May 2016, 20:07:26
@ higgi:  This is handled, through price table of EDITING RULES.

@ Rock: Don't forget Spanish wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Deportivo_Once_Lobos
You should be able to find what you need.  8)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 17 May 2016, 20:45:01
Hehe. I know a little bit of Spanish, but only a little bit. Never heard of the LW star Higgipocchia? :P

There are Facebook pages etc, so if I really can't find stuff I might send out a few emails...in English :)

all you need in spanish i can help you :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 17 May 2016, 20:50:33
Thanks all :). Biggest problem is that it's just not well documented. Some sites (e.g. wiki) haven't been updated in years.
We'll get there, and if I need anything I know where to ask :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 17 May 2016, 20:55:33
Thanks all :). Biggest problem is that it's just not well documented. Some sites (e.g. wiki) haven't been updated in years.
We'll get there, and if I need anything I know where to ask :)

Bear in mind what kind of problems Mike Hammond and Serge van Hoof (original SWOS researches) must have had in 1994/5/6...
I think it's much easier for us, now! ;)
We'll make it, no doubt.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: lobo on 17 May 2016, 21:49:38
Thanks all :). Biggest problem is that it's just not well documented. Some sites (e.g. wiki) haven't been updated in years.
We'll get there, and if I need anything I know where to ask :)

Bear in mind what kind of problems Mike Hammond and Serge van Hoof (original SWOS researches) must have had in 1994/5/6...
I think it's much easier for us, now! ;)
We'll make it, no doubt.

Was about to say it. I read somewhere they used to send faxes to the clubs and keep fingers crossed waiting for the answers.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 17 May 2016, 22:14:35
Was about to say it. I read somewhere they used to send faxes to the clubs and keep fingers crossed waiting for the answers.

Yeah it's easy to lose sight these days of just what an awesome achievement it was. Not only the logistical achievement, but back then it was just jaw dropping when you installed the game and realized what you had!

I could play (and manage!) as my local small town team from Northern Ireland! Absolutely unprecedented back then! Had the game been released 2 years later, I might have been in it!  :P
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 17 May 2016, 23:05:17
Was about to say it. I read somewhere they used to send faxes to the clubs and keep fingers crossed waiting for the answers.

Yeah it's easy to lose sight these days of just what an awesome achievement it was. Not only the logistical achievement, but back then it was just jaw dropping when you installed the game and realized what you had!

I could play (and manage!) as my local small town team from Northern Ireland! Absolutely unprecedented back then! Had the game been released 2 years later, I might have been in it!  :P

Totally true. It was and still is an awesome achievement, though I wonder how accurate e.g. the teams from the 3rd division in El Salvador actually were. It's hard enough to find the proper information these days, let alone what they must have had to do to get even close to an accurate representation!

Now I wonder which team you played for higgi. A scout came to watch me play when I was 15/16ish here in Clogland, though to this very day I haven't a clue why. The poor man must have left within the first five minutes :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 18 May 2016, 05:37:40
There's a little clue in this post ... http://digital-minds-blog.blogspot.co.at/2014/03/the-story-so-far.html (http://digital-minds-blog.blogspot.co.at/2014/03/the-story-so-far.html)

;)

Yeah I was supposedly scouted by Liverpool and Everton when I was 15... but everyone says that, right? Ended up playing a bit of amateur/semi-pro here in Austria. My claim to fame is having played with someone who played with Hristo Stoichkov! And I once marked the South Korea World Cup captain. And by "marked" I mean I chased him up and down a pitch for 45 mins  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 18 May 2016, 13:59:17
I was just thinking that the other day. It really is mind-boggling.

Btw, don't know if we've mentioned it in the 0-7/8-15 thing, but I think 8-15 are also the numbers that show as skills a player has on the transfer list.
With just 0-7 it will seem players don't have any skills worth mentioning :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 19 May 2016, 14:23:56
Danish league and national team done! I can do the rest of scandinavia if needed. Norway, Sweden & Finland.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 19 May 2016, 15:15:31
Danish league and national team done! I can do the rest of scandinavia if needed. Norway, Sweden & Finland.

Very nice. Needed and welcomed!
Good job!

Assignments updated:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 19 May 2016, 16:43:54
As I collect the data for each team in a libreoffice file first, I was too lazy to check the price table every time.
so I created a sort of mapping which you can see in the screenshot. did the same for positions (because I get my data from wikipedia).
feel free to use it... (_vorlage.ods)
[a filled example you can see in cap_verde.ods]
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Marin Parushev on 19 May 2016, 20:15:31
Hi everyone,

I would like to sign up for Bulgarian, Ukrainian and Russian leagues. And also for the national teams of Albania, Bulgaria, Northern Ireland and Wales.
Attention: Update ALL teams in a file you have signed up for (including Non-League). Non-League teams can be seen in the game during a career.

Cheers!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 19 May 2016, 20:32:59
[a filled example you can see in cap_verde.ods]

shit, cap verde is not existing in swos... :D
30 minutes just for practice! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 May 2016, 11:27:46
(Current assignments: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0 21st May)

UNASSIGNED LEAGUES  / NATIONAL TEAMS

EDITOREUROPEAN LEAGUE(S)ADDITIONAL INFO
...BelarusDivisions = 1
...CyprusDivisions = 1
...HollandDivisions = 2
...IsraelDivisions = 1
...LuxembourgDivisions = 1
...MaltaDivisions = 1
...Rep. IrelandDivisions = 1
...RomaniaDivisions = 1
...San MarinoDivisions = 1
...SlovakiaDivisions = 1
...SloveniaDivisions = 1
---------
EDITORNORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE(S)ADDITIONAL INFO
...MexicoDivisions = 2
...U.S.A.Divisions = 1
---------
EDITORAFRICAN LEAGUE(S)ADDITIONAL INFO
...AlgeriaDivisions = 1
...GhanaDivisions = 1
...South AfricaDivisions = 1
---------
EDITORASIAN LEAGUE(S)ADDITIONAL INFO
...IndiaDivisions = 1
...TaiwanDivisions = 1
---------
EDITOROCEANIAN LEAGUE(S)ADDITIONAL INFO
...AustraliaDivisions = 4
...New ZealandDivisions = 3
---------
EDITORNATIONAL TEAMS, EUROPEADDITIONAL INFO
...Armenia...
...Azerbaijan...
...Belarus...
...Belgium...
...Cyprus...
...Georgia...
...Hungary...
...Israel...
...Liechtenstein...
...Luxembourg...
...Macedonia...
...Malta...
...Moldova...
...Republic Ireland...
...Romania...
...Russia...
...San Marino...
...Slovakia...
...Slovenia...
...Switzerland...
...Ukraine...
---------

STEP FORWARD IF YOU WANT TO CONTRIBUTE!!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 21 May 2016, 11:56:31
Only a few mixed race players in Croatia, but their skin colour is killing me. Going for original SWOS defaults.
A whole lote of "blond" players that are not really blond killing me a lot more :D Very few really blonde folks, but a bunch of them are light brown or whatever. ARGH.
I sank to googling "blond (insert player name)" to see if someone else thinks they're blond :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 May 2016, 12:00:10
Only a few mixed race players in Croatia, but their skin colour is killing me. Going for original SWOS defaults.
A whole lote of "blond" players that are not really blond killing me a lot more :D Very few really blonde folks, but a bunch of them are light brown or whatever. ARGH.
I sank to googling "blond (insert player name)" to see if someone else thinks they're blond :)


HAHA!! Made my day...
I faced the same problem in ESTONIA. All those guys seem to be dark blonde / light brown... hahaha...
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 21 May 2016, 12:22:43
I bet Estonia's a lot "worse" in that regard! I have darker hair so I've no idea how it works but I swear I've been to football games where the same player was once totally blond, and then the next time totally brown haired, and then everything in between  ;D

But seriously SWOS makers... lower divisions of El Salvador but no more than two shades of skin/hair color? Even 3 shades would do wonders! :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 21 May 2016, 12:34:45
Croatian league uploaded. I see one file has -25K players, which it shouldn't? Oh well.

Also, I misunderstood and made all the player skills in 0-7 range, no 8-15.
Career works, but it doesn't seem like salaries are better, but what the heck do I know :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 May 2016, 12:47:24
Croatian league uploaded.

Good job!!  :)
Will you update it again, after August, to match latest transfers for next season?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 21 May 2016, 13:46:16
Sure, if I don't forget!

<gratuitous rant>
This update is actually much more detailed than SWOS can show or appreciate. I used (slight, so I don't break the game) modifiers for each player based on the ratings he got within a team and league, his additional position, goals, assists, physical characteristics... Each player is in the position he most often played, every team is full of players with the best minutes played/price ratio. I compared all the defenders/midfielders etc. to one another and then stretched their abilities to make them better/worse than their price suggests or more in line with their forte. I didn't field expensive players who played 12 minutes for the club and then spent the season injured. Transfermarkt also believes clubs have players that their homepages state are sold 3 seasons ago :), etc."
</gratuitous rant>

Without the OCD stuff I can just field the most expensive 11 and be done with it! :D
 
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 21 May 2016, 15:42:18
Playa :) I added on ftp Japan file :) I will take Czech Rep league, national team and Austria, France national teams :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 21 May 2016, 17:35:42
Big date yesterday (20th of May) for my part of the update...

All Copa America 2016 participants provided final lists of 23 players - that means all South America national teams.

Is it a good indicator for 16/17 update? Well... looking eg. at the Brazil squad - not necessarily...

What do you think?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Am%C3%A9rica_Centenario_squads
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 May 2016, 18:03:36
I think, you are right... Not necessarily a good indicator (for all the teams). :)
Cannot imagine SWOS 16/17 Brazil squad without Neymar...
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: whiteulver on 21 May 2016, 22:41:33
Hi Playaveli,

I would like to contribute to Greek Division 1 and Greek National team.

Thanks.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 May 2016, 23:04:43
Hi Playaveli,

I would like to contribute to Greek Division 1 and Greek National team.

Thanks.

Hey mate, great news! It's good to have you on board!
Assignments updated!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Mozg on 22 May 2016, 00:46:18
Hi guys!

I see that awesome project is in progress! I'll probably wouldn't take part as updater, however Playaveli asked me to prepare file with my set of tactics, and I've agreed of course :)

Big date yesterday (20th of May) for my part of the update...

All Copa America 2016 participants provided final lists of 23 players - that means all South America national teams.

Is it a good indicator for 16/17 update? Well... looking eg. at the Brazil squad - not necessarily...

What do you think?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Am%C3%A9rica_Centenario_squads

Playaveli is right, is not quite good indicator. I have plans to release Copa America 2016 squads and .DIY tournament file (as well as Euro 2016 of course :) ), I'll create squads as there were submitted for tournamnet by coaches (Brazil without Neymar), however it's not good idea for the official/unofficial update.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 22 May 2016, 01:41:55
@Mozg: Thank you very much! With your help, SWOS 16/17 will be released with 3 difficulty modes (standard / advanced / expert) on both, PC/Amiga.
As we have spoken via PM, I will prepare a set of new standard tactics, as well!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Mozg on 22 May 2016, 01:56:34
I think that different sets of tactics is in fact not a matter of difficulty. Well, for a SWOS-Veteran it will be, because he is just used to play versus computer on standard tactics, and new ones is something that he don't know. However - a SWOS-Newbie wouldn't probably feel any difference in difficulty, because both player and computer can use these tactics :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 22 May 2016, 08:00:05
Probably not many SWOS newbies out there :)

Too bad you can't make AI have better tactics without you being able to access it. It would be fun to see computer kicking butt  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 22 May 2016, 21:02:18
Hi, just a quick question. Does a player in a national team HAVE to have a place in his club team too? I mean, will it cause an error if a player is in his national team but doesnt have a club team as well?

Thanks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 22 May 2016, 21:06:18
No!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 22 May 2016, 21:08:03
Hi, just a quick question. Does a player in a national team HAVE to have a place in his club team too? I mean, will it cause an error if a player is in his national team but doesnt have a club team as well?

Thanks

No, he does not HAVE TO have a place in a club.
National teams in SWOS have nothing to do with Club teams.

The only mix-up of the two (national - club) happens in career mode, if you are taking over national team duties. Because then, you will be able to call up your own squad, from the club teams' players, whereas the cpu controlled national teams will be the standalone ones.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 22 May 2016, 21:13:13
Ok thanks for the reply.

HAve a quikc check of this to make sure I'm doing it right, before I go ahead and start the whole process. Arsenals rating has gone DOWN since the edit, but I think thats due to only using 1-7 instead of 1-15?

Hope it looks ok.

Thanks

P.S Danny Welbeck is English I know :P
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 22 May 2016, 21:39:43
özil have number 11 not 7! :P
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 22 May 2016, 21:42:58
Hey, looks pretty good.
Some minor "bugs" maybe.

Giroud and Sanchez, both have 6 in speed! In reality, Sanchez is way quicker than Giroud (should be 4 or max. 5).
In such obvious cases (in top European leagues/clubs) it's better to re-adjust specific skills manually.

And yes, if it's possible, feel free to assign the correct shirt number (if it's a starting eleven player with No. 1-11 in reality). As djowGer said.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 22 May 2016, 21:48:38
Yeah, I'm still planning on tweaking some of the stats, its just the rest of it really. Is it important to give players their real life shirt numbers, this could be tricky as a lot of players have obsure shirt numbers nowadays!?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 22 May 2016, 21:55:56
Is it important to give players their real life shirt numbers, this could be tricky as a lot of players have obsure shirt numbers nowadays!?

As I said, only if they have a shirt number between 1 - 11, anyway. ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 22 May 2016, 21:57:08
Ok thanks for your help Playa :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: armandojimene22 on 23 May 2016, 13:41:28
Hello, I would like to propose a little help, I am developing an application in Excel that returns me some of the data you need the TEAM.XXX files, some does not work because they have no excel or earlier to 2010. I propose to all interested Send me the name of the team and league or country and I give as much information like the photo, then the editor do you use what you want.

The updates will be fast
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 23 May 2016, 19:09:58
Hi guys, quick questions etc:

Any news on what was/is wrong with the Faroe Islands file I submitted?
Should I just recreate the teams from scratch? I have them all in my Excel file.

Iceland is finished in Excel, busy entering the teams into the Editor.
Taking my time because real life sometimes has priority above swos :).

Finally finished my research into El Salvador.
Finally managed to figure out their Tercera Division, and finally found some recent standings.
This means I have the proper teams in the 4th division not just ones I could find information on :).

All four divisions now have the teams with strips in Excel.
Busy creating teams by comparing different websites (e.g. clubpages on Facebook, soccerway, footballzz etc etc).
Hopefully I'll find at least one recent squad per team (Primera is easy enough...Tercera will be hard in some cases....).

Problem is, I don't have any transfer values etcera so I need a bit of help here.
Should I just take the values in the original SWOS, change them around a bit (using averages) so the strongest teams have the
strongest players? Or does anyone have a better idea?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 23 May 2016, 21:18:05
Hi,

Swiss national team was still free right? I would like to edit that. Regards Kristofer
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 23 May 2016, 21:28:53
Any news on what was/is wrong with the Faroe Islands file I submitted?
Should I just recreate the teams from scratch? I have them all in my Excel file.

No, don't bother with recreating it. It will work fine.
About that strange error, Zlatko told me to try with normal CD version. If you find time, do that!

Should I just take the values in the original SWOS, change them around a bit (using averages) so the strongest teams have the
strongest players? Or does anyone have a better idea?

That sounds like a very good idea. Go for it!

Swiss national team was still free right? I would like to edit that. Regards Kristofer

Assigned! Welcome to the team of editors and thanks in advance for your contribution, mate!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Mozg on 23 May 2016, 22:23:23
I'm quite sad that such a great update will be lacking of some not-so-weak leagues (China, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Bosnia), while some in fact completety non-interesting leagues will be updated. Last Synchronated's update was fully playable in career mode and I think that having these leagues in update is worth considering. The same goes for some national teams (Montenegro, Bosnia, DR Congo). Don't anyone of you think that updating fourth El Salvador or Taiwan leagues is completely pointless? :) Well, SWOS was a great game, but football world has changed during that twenty years...
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: whiteulver on 24 May 2016, 00:29:31
Ok thanks for the reply.

HAve a quikc check of this to make sure I'm doing it right, before I go ahead and start the whole process. Arsenals rating has gone DOWN since the edit, but I think thats due to only using 1-7 instead of 1-15?

Hope it looks ok.

Thanks

P.S Danny Welbeck is English I know :P

Yes rating is down because of using only skills 0-7 and not 0-15.

@Playaveli, do you think that  should be a rule for using skills from 0-7 or 0-15. Syncro used skills from 0-7 for all teams.
Using skills from 0-15 is as close to original swos. If an editor uses SWOES skill generator then will get skills from 0-15.
So maybe we have some teams with skills from 0-7 and others from 0-15.
What do you think?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Mozg on 24 May 2016, 00:44:56
Skills from 8 to 15 have some meaning only in career mode - when you search transfer list by player skills, when you want to search an attacker with finishing, then only attackers with finishing from 8 to 15 will be displayed. However - SWOS uses 0-7 scale. Skills form 8 to 15 are used in SWOS to show players best skills. Every weaker player has two best skills from 8 to 15. The better player is - the more vaues from 8 to 15 appears (George Weah has six fifteens). The exception is J. League - it generally looks like it was created by someone else. Also I think that players with more skills from range 8-15 gets bigger wage, so they are more expensive in maintenance.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 May 2016, 07:02:58
@Playaveli, do you think that  should be a rule for using skills from 0-7 or 0-15. Syncro used skills from 0-7 for all teams.
Using skills from 0-15 is as close to original swos. If an editor uses SWOES skill generator then will get skills from 0-15.
So maybe we have some teams with skills from 0-7 and others from 0-15.
What do you think?

The 0-7 rule has been cancelled. We don't need any rule like that. Keep it simple for all editors.
In playing the game, nobody will notice anyway.
People who use your editor (which most people do!) produce 0-15 skills.


I'm quite sad that such a great update will be lacking of some not-so-weak leagues (China, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Bosnia), while some in fact completety non-interesting leagues will be updated. Last Synchronated's update was fully playable in career mode and I think that having these leagues in update is worth considering. The same goes for some national teams (Montenegro, Bosnia, DR Congo). Don't anyone of you think that updating fourth El Salvador or Taiwan leagues is completely pointless? :) Well, SWOS was a great game, but football world has changed during that twenty years...

Thanks for your input, Mozg. But 96/97 teams will be maintained, with original structure.
The world of football might have changed, but in many cases, not for the better! So, that's what this update shall express/say, between the lines...

El Salvador 4th division is NOT pointless... I have fond memories of Once Lobos! ;) Never want to miss them.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 24 May 2016, 07:13:37
I'm glad that we (you guys! lol) are keeping the updates in line with original SWOS. You only have to look at he MAME project to see how impossible things can get when the data depends on a specific version of the exe.

It's good that SWOS 2016 will be accessible, as previous versions clearly were not. Whether the users fault or otherwise, so many people and problems with updates not working, crashes in career mode, not knowing which exe to use etc.

I think it will be great to just download the dat files and copy them to your original swos install.

As always, awesome work guys!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Mozg on 24 May 2016, 11:35:13
Thanks for your input, Mozg. But 96/97 teams will be maintained, with original structure.
The world of football might have changed, but in many cases, not for the better! So, that's what this update shall express/say, between the lines...

El Salvador 4th division is NOT pointless... I have fond memories of Once Lobos! ;) Never want to miss them.

So maybe some alternative version is worth considering. Otherwise, there will be an update without, for example:

- one team form World Cup 2014 (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
- one team from Copa America 2016 (Haiti)
- one team from Champions League 15/16 (FK Astana from Kazakhstan)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 24 May 2016, 11:49:46
So maybe some alternative version is worth considering....

Please for the love of god, NO! lol

Let people make their own alternatives in private, but please keep the "official unofficial" update plain and simple!  8)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Mozg on 24 May 2016, 12:03:45

Please for the love of god, NO! lol

Let people make their own alternatives in private, but please keep the "official unofficial" update plain and simple!  8)

That was just my thoughts. However, I'll be honest and I'll tell that I will probably not like that update, as it will be quite unrealistic, especially national teams that are most interesting from me. How to play World Cup or Euro quals without some important teams? ;)

But I understand that I'm the only one that would like realism rather than nostalgia, will just play Synchronated's updates :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 24 May 2016, 12:23:57
Snark aside, it's nothing to do with nostalgia or realism.

My opinion is formed from watching countless people over the years (myself included) give up in frustration because their game crashes and they can't work out which combination of exe and data files they need. This is why, in my opinion of course, it is worth sacrificing a little but of realism for the sake of practicality, Not nostalgia.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Mozg on 24 May 2016, 12:27:56
Snark aside, it's nothing to do with nostalgia or realism.

My opinion is formed from watching countless people over the years (myself included) give up in frustration because their game crashes and they can't work out which combination of exe and data files they need. This is why, in my opinion of course, it is worth sacrificing a little but of realism for the sake of practicality, Not nostalgia.

Last Synchronated's update was fully playable in career mode. And just changing for example San Marino teams to Bosnian (without changing number of teams) also of course wouldn't cause any crash.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 24 May 2016, 12:38:05
That's great. As long as all you have to do is copy only the TEAM files to your data folder, and not modify the original game in any way, I support it for this update. Anything else, nope!

There are tonnes of updates which were playable in career mode, but a lot of them need modified exe files etc and then, in the future, people lose track of which dataset fits with which exe and it becomes a nightmare to share among the community.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Mozg on 24 May 2016, 12:42:55
That's great. As long as all you have to do is copy only the TEAM files to your data folder, and not modify the original game in any way, I support it for this update. Anything else, nope!

There are tonnes of updates which were playable in career mode, but a lot of them need modified exe files etc and then, in the future, people lose track of which dataset fits with which ext etc and it becomes a nightmare to share among the community.

I was talking about the same from the beginning - to change just teams - not number of teams or anything else! :) And such an "alternative version" I was thinking about :) Possibly it will be easier to find some person that would like to update Korean League rather than Taiwanese one :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 24 May 2016, 12:59:11
That's cool, I'm just shouting my opinion from the sidelines. I wouldn't be against anything the folks here want to do, if it is compatible with the original exe!

Those sorts of decisions are up to the coordinator I guess.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 24 May 2016, 13:49:28
Problem is, I don't have any transfer values etcera so I need a bit of help here.
Should I just take the values in the original SWOS, change them around a bit (using averages) so the strongest teams have the
strongest players? Or does anyone have a better idea?

Well, if you don't have any transfer values, take the values in the original SWOS and DON'T change them :) It will be easier that way.
Just rename the best club in 96/97 version to current best club, give it new strips and player names, do the same for other clubs, and you're good to go!

P. S. Wouldn't renaming a league (e.g. San Marino to Bosnia) require changing the game exe?

P. P. S. I'm tempted to take the Holland update. Where are all the dutch SWOS fans!?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 May 2016, 13:54:50
96/97 teams & structure will be maintained, for this project, and are no subject to change.
(what people will later do with the final release, mods etc., is up to themselves)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 24 May 2016, 13:59:02

P. P. S. I'm tempted to take the Holland update. Where are all the dutch SWOS fans!?

I live in Clogland, but seeing as it's a big league I decided to leave the Dutch national team and Dutch leagues for someone who really wants them. If you want them, go for it! I'm busy in El Salvador :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Mozg on 24 May 2016, 14:05:13
96/97 teams & structure will be maintained, for this project, and are no subject to change.
(what people will later do with the final release, mods etc., is up to themselves)

OK, I understand. So just ask me via PM when I'll have to do my tactic's stuff, as I will probably not track this topic anymore :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 May 2016, 14:16:09
^^ Will do, mate! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 24 May 2016, 18:44:07
Iceland league finished and uploaded :).
Any mistakes...let me know.

Yet again it's version 1.0 so I'll take new promotions etc into account before the final release.
I'll also do some later tweaks to player values to get the proper league standings.

Is it an idea to post which leagues haven't just been assigned, but also completed?


Back to El Salvador. Seeing as Once Lobos will now be in the 2nd division, I wonder which of the 4th division sides will take their place the next 20 years...I like the sound of Nuevo San Sebastian, or my personal favourite AD Arce Cara Sucia :D.

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 May 2016, 19:12:33
Is it an idea to post which leagues haven't just been assigned, but also completed?

Good job, Rock!!
Yes, I talked to bomb about this, too. Will add a new column to the assignments table for beta/release status of team files.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 25 May 2016, 14:20:02
Status column added:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Will add TEAM file numbers to ADDITIONAL INFO column later today.

PS: Within this project, an incredible amount of 1.583 teams will be updated! Way to go, lads!  ;)
http://fr.dxj.de:22520/data/teams.php?v=9697
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sheriff on 25 May 2016, 18:29:33
Hi Playaveli,

I would like to contribute to Greek Division 1 and Greek National team.

Thanks.

Hey whiteulver I didn't know that you are Greek.
If you want any help on Greek division I am available.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 25 May 2016, 20:14:00
Doing other leagues whilst tackling El Salvador (seeing as that'll take a while).
Give me the San Marino league + national team please!
And please remove me from the Dutch national team (for the time being).

In my research I already have one 46 year old player in La Fiorita (who are in the league final this weekend).
He's not in 96/97 unfortunately.....

Thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 25 May 2016, 23:41:50
Hmm.. Why upload files before transfermarket closes? I guess only national teams can be finished, or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: W.Carling on 26 May 2016, 00:23:00
hi guys is it only the teams thats getting updated for this project? i would like to produce some new sounds for the game if thats possible :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 26 May 2016, 10:32:22
Hmm.. Why upload files before transfermarket closes? I guess only national teams can be finished, or am I mistaken?

Upload for beta testing, reviewing, and support.
Transfers can be added easily after August. But until then, a huge workload can be already finished.

Plus, some league do not have a transfer window in August. Faroese, Iceland, Baltic leagues etc... they are running from March-October. So it's spot on to do them now.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 26 May 2016, 13:05:29
LATVIA league finished, uploaded!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 26 May 2016, 17:49:30
Austria added :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 26 May 2016, 23:29:40
NATIONAL TEAMS, AFRICA from Algeria - Mali done.
I will upload when the whole continent is finished. some samples you can see on the screenshots.
most teams actually play a 4-3-3 like barca, but the SWOS 4-3-3 does not fit. I had to take 4-5-1 instead.
though there are still very strong teams compared to the original african teams....
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 26 May 2016, 23:30:53
... one thing didnt change: the strength of the keepers  ::)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 27 May 2016, 15:58:50
Austrian league is that weak? Who knew.

Those African teams ain't bad!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 28 May 2016, 09:41:31
Austrian league is that weak? Who knew.

Check this:
German Bundesliga - Total market value: 2.39 Billion € (http://www.transfermarkt.com/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/L1)
Austrian Bundesliga - Total market value: 158.1 Million € (http://www.transfermarkt.com/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/A1)

Huge difference, indeed.

--

@Bomb & Gorzo: Good job, guys!!  :)

PS: Didn't know that Avram Grant is coaching Ghana, now. He was the ex-Chelsea coach, wasn't he?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: lobo on 28 May 2016, 09:59:40
He also managed to relegate West Ham  ::)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 28 May 2016, 10:03:54
San Marino league: done and uploaded :).
Interesting league to do, there's a site where you can find all Paninish pictures of the team.
There are actually a lot of over-forties who play in the league, I even found a 50 year old keeper (unfortunately 3rd choice).
The level is, well, low. So just about everyone is 25k-. I'll change a few values to mirror the final league standings in September.

The file also suffers from the same problem as the Faroese league, so atm it crashes in career mode after 1 game.
Wish I could work out why.....
I didn't change the order of premier / non-league teams for example, only the player info / shirts + tactics.

Where can I find the swos version you asked me to try Playa?

Back to El Salvador....
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 28 May 2016, 10:24:10
Just abandon the 25k- prices, take the normal 25k, and recheck.
Will have another chat with Zlatko about it.

Original CD version is here:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=629.0
(mount CD drive in dosbox)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 28 May 2016, 10:44:52
Those African teams ain't bad!

yea, at least not like in the original version... (maybe that was partially bad researched for Africa - they had no transfermarkt.de ^^)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 28 May 2016, 12:22:10
Check this:
German Bundesliga - Total market value: 2.39 Billion € (http://www.transfermarkt.com/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/L1)
Austrian Bundesliga - Total market value: 158.1 Million € (http://www.transfermarkt.com/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/A1)

Huge difference, indeed.

True. I just expected it to be noticeably stronger than Croatian league I've just finished. I guess they're not so much into soccer.


Those African teams ain't bad!
yea, at least not like in the original version... (maybe that was partially bad researched for Africa - they had no transfermarkt.de ^^)


I don't think they bothered much with national teams. World class players from smaller nations are just bad in national teams, but still great in game.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 28 May 2016, 12:54:14
I changed all 25k- values to 25k...and the files work!
So that's where the error lies.
My Iceland file worked, which had less 25k- values.
So either the amount of 25k- values determines whether it crashes, or a certain spot can't be 25k-.

Anyway, I have changed all my 25k- values to 25k in my three re-uploaded files.
So for editors who have downloaded previous versions, please redownload them again.
They are the files for Faroe Islands (011), Iceland (017) and San Marino (032).

Thanks for your help Playa!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 28 May 2016, 13:15:18
Pleasure!
Well done, Colin.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 28 May 2016, 18:07:17
Playaveli :)  I found national files of march this year. This is my corrections files which Marin or Betichus updated :) I don`t remember :)  If I found it before would be less to do for you and Bomb :) I can update national Europe file about new prices if no one has anything against :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 28 May 2016, 18:20:04
Playaveli :)  I found national files of march this year. This is my corrections files which Marin or Betichus updated :) I don`t remember :)  If I found it before would be less to do for you and Bomb :) I can update national Europe file about new prices if no one has a problems :)

Hey Gorzo, thanks for the offer. Please check still unassigned teams (http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0), and pick some of your choice.


EDITORNATIONAL TEAMS, EUROPEADDITIONAL INFOSTATUS
...Armenia...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Azerbaijan...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Belarus...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Belgium...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Cyprus...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Georgia...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Holland...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Hungary...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Israel...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Liechtenstein...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Luxembourg...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Macedonia...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Malta...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Moldova...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Republic Ireland...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Romania...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Russia...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Slovakia...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Slovenia...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
...Ukraine...(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 28 May 2016, 19:36:13
Take`em all! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 29 May 2016, 21:20:26
Take`em all! :)

Ok, assigned you to the open EUROPEAN NATIONAL TEAMS. All of them covered now.
Assigned myself to all AFRICAN LEAGUES (Algeria, Ghana, South Africa) and the rest of ASIAN LEAGUES (India, Taiwan)

Update: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 29 May 2016, 22:56:46
I'll do the Maltese league AFTER I've finished El Salvador (nice challenge..).
After that the Oceanic leagues (Australia and New Zealand).

I did a bit of research on the Oceanic leagues (Australia and New Zealand) for a bit of fun.

Pretty interesting league systems which are pretty similar, and different to original SWOS.
There is a premier league with franchise teams with no relegation.
Below that level there are regional leagues.

I can't remember if the SWOS Oceanic leagues had promotion / relegation.
Anyone know off the top of their head? Otherwise I'll have to simulate a season there :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 29 May 2016, 23:24:56
just a small update from me:

I'll be doing national teams after Copa America

plus I am waiting for most national leagues to finish to establish which teams go to SWOS databse

plus I have a very busy June this year... :)

so expect first files no earlier than in July, but don't worry - I have South America covered!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 30 May 2016, 00:11:58
I'll do the Maltese league AFTER I've finished El Salvador (nice challenge..).
After that the Oceanic leagues (Australia and New Zealand).

I did a bit of research on the Oceanic leagues (Australia and New Zealand) for a bit of fun.

Pretty interesting league systems which are pretty similar, and different to original SWOS.
There is a premier league with franchise teams with no relegation.
Below that level there are regional leagues.

I can't remember if the SWOS Oceanic leagues had promotion / relegation.
Anyone know off the top of their head? Otherwise I'll have to simulate a season there :).


Nice1!

About the Australian league... I made a rather unsatisfactory experience, recently. Last year, I played a career, started in Australia's Queensland division (Rochedale Rovers) and realized that the 3 divisions run parallel to each other, without promotion/relegation. CLICK HERE (https://www.facebook.com/playaveli.swos/photos/?tab=album&album_id=545024388977627)
Of course, I was pissed... but now, I am happy, because you can replicate the current league system, 100%. ;)

plus I am waiting for most national leagues to finish to establish which teams go to SWOS database

^^ spot on, xflea!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 30 May 2016, 07:37:26
Gorzo can take Croatian national team from me if he wants as well :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 30 May 2016, 17:56:55
Gorzo can take Croatian national team from me if he wants as well :)
Ok, take a Croatian team :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Janko4 on 31 May 2016, 13:28:52
Hello. I can do Slovak league. And Slovak national team, if no one have it until now. In next days I will learn how you do it, but it should be not difficult.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 01 June 2016, 18:20:16
Hello. I can do Slovak league. And Slovak national team, if no one have it until now. In next days I will learn how you do it, but it should be not difficult.

Hey Janko! Thanks for the offer. Please inform me when you have tried the editor and are familiar with its usage.
Then I'll assign you.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 03 June 2016, 19:10:13
Starting LITHUANIA league now!
Should be beta-finished tomorrow.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 04 June 2016, 10:23:41
I added Albania and Czech Republic leagues file :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: JJU on 04 June 2016, 23:22:26
Relatively new here, but worked on player databases for New Star Games some years ago, and as I'm between jobs, could help out if required?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 June 2016, 13:05:15
Relatively new here, but worked on player databases for New Star Games some years ago, and as I'm between jobs, could help out if required?

Hey, sounds good. Why not...
Pick an unassigned league: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0

How to update? Which rules to follow:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26242.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: MIJB#19 on 05 June 2016, 23:10:27
No volunteer for the Netherlands / Holland yet?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 06 June 2016, 10:02:14
It has two leagues, that's what kept me away from it  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 06 June 2016, 11:05:19
I live in Holland, but I decided to do smaller leagues and leave this one for someone who really wants it.
If anyone needs any help on teams etc, just give me a shout!

At the moment I'm stuck trying to find the CD El Roble de Ilobasco squad in El Salvador.
Just can't find a list of players for a match etc..
I'm waiting before sending a mail to their Facebook page, because I guess there'll be more teams I can't find,
and thus more teams that need mail-work :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 June 2016, 13:49:16
No volunteer for the Netherlands / Holland yet?

Not yet. Would be great if you'll do Holland league!
May I assign you?


@ Rock: That's proper research, man!!  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: scemoka on 06 June 2016, 18:38:32
Hi mates. I will send the newest turkish update.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 June 2016, 19:27:53
Hi mates. I will send the newest turkish update.

Hi cem turan. Turkish league and national team are already taken.
Check: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0  for free leagues!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 06 June 2016, 22:40:40
Ok. Give me The Netherlands jajaja. I think i will be a bit free in working in August and i can take my time updating.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 June 2016, 15:25:16
No volunteer for the Netherlands / Holland yet?

Ok. Give me The Netherlands jajaja. I think i will be a bit free in working in August and i can take my time updating.

@Betichus and MIJB#19:
Please get in contact with each other (PM) and tell me who will update Holland leagues!

Thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: MIJB#19 on 09 June 2016, 22:22:03
No volunteer for the Netherlands / Holland yet?

Ok. Give me The Netherlands jajaja. I think i will be a bit free in working in August and i can take my time updating.

@Betichus and MIJB#19:
Please get in contact with each other (PM) and tell me who will update Holland leagues!

Thanks!
Betichus can do it. :D
I'll be available to help out, if needed or desired.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 09 June 2016, 22:50:02
@Betichus: If you need help give me a shout, after Sensi Days :).
Interesting points at the moment are that it is still not decided who gets relegated from the Eredivisie (Premier League), and that next season will be the first season that SWOS gets it wrong seeing as we will finally have a third (semi-)prof division.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 10 June 2016, 13:29:36
@Betichus:  Assigned to HOLLAND leagues!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 11 June 2016, 11:15:16
@ all EDITORS:
You can easily check transfer window periods and activity here:
http://www.transfermarkt.com/transfers/transferfensterdetail/statistik/top/

(just choose your country/league, and press "Display selection"). This will be perfectly useful getting beta status teams to release version, after August!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 11 June 2016, 12:59:25
@ all EDITORS:
You can easily check transfer window periods and activity here:
http://www.transfermarkt.com/transfers/transferfensterdetail/statistik/top/

(just choose your country/league, and press "Display selection"). This will be perfectly useful getting beta status teams to release version, after August!

Thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 12 June 2016, 12:09:29
I added national europe teams :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 June 2016, 12:23:23
I added national europe teams :)

Thanks. I see you did it perfectly, calling your part "team-gorzo.080".
Good job!
Please review all your teams after August, for possible retirements etc.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: ruicosta10fc on 12 June 2016, 15:10:42
Hi, what a great project this is! I can help with the Rep Ireland and Mexico leagues!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 June 2016, 17:56:39
Hi, what a great project his is! I can help with the Rep Ireland and Mexico leagues!

Cool, thanks ruicosta! :) Assigned you to REP. IRELAND + MEXICO LEAGUES!
---
Current assignments and editing status: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241

In the meantime, I finished LITHUANIA league. Uploaded!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 13 June 2016, 06:54:31
Nice, Gorzo. It was fun looking through the national teams :)

On a side note: your Croatia is a bit drunk :)

P.S. Probably would've been better to do this after EURO when the exact teams could be known :)

P.P.S. Some older players really suffering because of their lower price which translates to lower skill in SWOS.


Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 13 June 2016, 18:18:26
I have just googled up a nice statistic of how player values change with age, just for fun :)
It seems prices peak at about 26-27 on average and start dropping for players under 23 and over 30.

So for example in Gorzo's national teams file Buffon is worth 1M, while Sirigu on the bench is worth 2M.
So it seems strange that Sirigu's on the bench.
But if we account for the price drop with age, it would seem 38yo Buffon is at least 4 or 5 times the player Sirigu is!

Also in Spanish national team Casillas is worth 1,3M while De Gea on the bench is worth 5M - talk about strange decisions!
However, seeing Casillas is 10 years older, with adjusted price he comes to being just around 20% better than De Gea.

Interesting :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 13 June 2016, 19:43:07
Thx Sida :) In determing the players I looked at the minutes on the pitch in qualifiyng for Euro 2016 what about Spain or Italy do not look at it because these are my old prices :) someone else update other teams :) 
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 13 June 2016, 19:48:07
oh well

regardless the indication you may choose it seems Brazil won't be as strong as in the original database...

and they messed up with Copa America as well

interesting if you filter the most valuable players on transfermarkt - and check Brazilians...
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 13 June 2016, 20:01:50
someone else update other teams :) 

Sorry, I phrased that sentence wrong :)

On a side note, I've found a way to additionally randomize the skills of unknown midfielders. Since transfermarkt counts how many times they played each position, for example if they played 60% of the time as an AM and 40% as DM I use that info to slightly boost their AM and cut their DM skills (starting from "middle ground"). Along with other factors, makes for lots of combinations!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 June 2016, 16:03:53
About that age issue:
In SWOS 96/97, many older players have a lower price than they would have in their prime.
Best example: Diego Maradona!

More examples:
- Guido Buchwald (GER).
- Salvatore Schillaci (ITA).
- Jorginho (BRA)
- Ivan Hasek (CZE)

The list could be continued with many many players of 96/97 who were way more expensive (and thus: better skilled) in their prime time/age.


---

Please maintain >>> transfermarkt.de/com price table <<< (http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26242.0) for all players you edit!
Buffon of 2016 is by far not that good as he was in his prime. And that's just an example.

---

This update is more than an update. It shall capture a moment in football history! And that moment is 2016/17... not 2006,7,8...
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 15 June 2016, 17:07:42
Of course, but I wasn't talking about their prime... nor was I suggesting we abandon the price scheme.

The issue is that in real life price represents both skill and age while in SWOS it only represents skill, since SWOS players don't age.
It's only an issue in SWOS since there are great and cheap old players in all games where players age.
If I remember the players you named were still decent in SWOS, so the price probably reflects their post-serious-career skills :)

I'm sticking to the rules for this update, but I've seen that issue many times when I would do croatian league updates every year.
When a once-top player retires to such a weak league, he's often godlike in comparison to other players.
IRL his price will be the same as of his teammates or even much lower, simply because for players in their prime their price reflects skill, while for 35 year olds price represents but a fraction of their skill so in SWOS you may be forced to turn what is a really bad team with one quite decent player into a really bad team with one player that's even worse than the rest.



Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 June 2016, 17:13:58
If I remember the players you named were still decent in SWOS, so the price probably reflects their post-serious-career skills :)

You are totally free to replicate that for 16/17!
Couldn't be better!

Maradona is a perfect example:
http://swos.gazchap.com/index.php?teamid=163

Old, but still great ball control and passing. But lack of speed/tackling, which are "age-relative-skills".
Edit with a portion of common sense, and you cannot miscue it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 15 June 2016, 19:22:07
Yes, the problem is not nearly as pronounced for better teams and players that are not too old or were such world class players that they have a decent price until the day they retire, that's why I make sure younger players have a bit more secondary skills and older have only key skills.

However, when your most expensive player is 300k and your "star gramps" is 110k, you're out of options... 110k is 9 skill points so he can only have 1 top skill. Or one good and one mediocre :)

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 June 2016, 20:09:47
However, when your most expensive player is 300k and your "star gramps" is 110k, you're out of options... 110k is 9 skill points so he can only have 1 top skill. Or one good and one mediocre :)

Ah, well, that price range (below 300k)  is a different story. I think nobody will a) dramatize and/or b) even notice when you give some extra cash for one or another of the older guys, in a region of transfermarkt x1.5, for some special old players!
Just keep it well balanced.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 15 June 2016, 20:12:16
---
Current assignments and editing status: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241

In the meantime, I finished LITHUANIA league. Uploaded!

@playa: good news!
@all: and great to see the progress on  http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241. insane load of work there.

I'll try to finish african continent inthe next weeks.


Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Duck on 15 June 2016, 23:30:27
Hello, if Gorzo is not particularly interested in the Czech Republic, I can take it.

I have experiences with editing, about 10 years ago we (me, ceBBek, Giorro) were making massive updates like this (unfortunately pages are gone, so you remember me or you must trust me:D)

Red from the Czech Republic


Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 16 June 2016, 06:39:54
I think nobody will a) dramatize and/or b) even notice when you give some extra cash for one or another of the older guys, in a region of transfermarkt x1.5, for some special old players!

That's ok, I can always make an unofficial one just for my own enjoyment!
We can address the issue on 30 years anniversary update :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 16 June 2016, 15:02:38
I've found a way to make very SWOS-like updates. I'm using the SWOS database to extract the exact distribution of skills for a group of players.
(e.g. what percentage of defenders has Heading 7, 6, 5, etc.)
I'm using both player (height, age, goals, assists, etc.) and team characteristics (goals for and against, etc) to calculate his SWOS skills and scale them to his price. (main skill not scaled as that would defeat the purpose)

I'm using data for additional positions played to create some extra randomness.
E.g. player that player 12 games as wing back and 12 as winger will have a template which is exactly 50/50 back/winger skills.
That will then be additionally modded with all I've mentioned before.
If he's a a RB in a team with great defense he'll have more tackling than a 50/50 back/winger would. If he's supershort he'll have less heading. If he's 47 he'll have speed 0. Etc.


Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 June 2016, 15:07:44
Hello, if Gorzo is not particularly interested in the Czech Republic, I can take it.

I have experiences with editing, about 10 years ago we (me, ceBBek, Giorro) were making massive updates like this (unfortunately pages are gone, so you remember me or you must trust me:D)

Red from the Czech Republic

I remember you and ceBBek! :) Welcome, mate! (do you have the old URLs?)

*edit*

As you can see here: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Czech Rep. league is already done, beta status. Only transfers need to be done by Gorzo, after August.

But you may, of course, help with the still unassigned leagues, ONLY 8 LEAGUES OPEN:

- Belarus
- Cyprus
- Israel
- Luxembourg
- Romania
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- U.S.A.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Duck on 16 June 2016, 19:06:05
Nice! We have not webpages anymore, but if is someone interested in 2006 rosters here are data. You would need modified exe to play career, but I cant upload more than 0.9Mb I still play these for nostalgia reasons.

I do not follow now football as I used to so I would be not good for foreign countries. I can probably make export from Czech Soccer Manager which last update from Autumn 2015 has all these leagues except Belarus and update transfers acccording webpage, but some user from these countries would be probably not pleased:D

If you are making historic teams, I hope to see Czech Republic 2004 because we were beast! :D

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 June 2016, 19:07:48
Hehe, ok! in that case, let some others do the job. Thanks anyway.
About the website you had, do you remember the URL (website address??). It might have been stored in webarchive.
http://archive.org/web/
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Duck on 16 June 2016, 19:28:17
Wow

http://web.archive.org/web/20050827030834/http://mujweb.cz/www/sensible/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20050827030834/http://mujweb.cz/www/sensible/)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 June 2016, 19:30:50
Wow

http://web.archive.org/web/20050827030834/http://mujweb.cz/www/sensible/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20050827030834/http://mujweb.cz/www/sensible/)

Yep, that's the one I remembered! :) Nice1!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 June 2016, 12:53:36
Started working on ALGERIA Ligue Professionelle 1 (http://www.transfermarkt.com/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/ALG1).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 19 June 2016, 14:37:42
Here's a fun example of age-related player skill correction.
Players near their optimal age often don't change enough for the change to register, but very old players get significant boosts since in real life their price drops much faster than their skill. That's why considering 2M Pirlo for Italian national team makes much more sense than considering a Pirlo worth 350k :)

Also, with original prices Buffon would be  a solid  goalkeeper in croatian league, while Pirlo would be a below average midfielder.
With adjusted prices it's clear Buffon would be by far the best keeper in croatian league, and Pirlo would be amongst the best midfielders - as they should be :)

(https://s32.postimg.org/gfo8pgspx/Untitled.jpg)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 21 June 2016, 16:31:47
Poland added :) I will take Belarus league :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 22 June 2016, 10:23:12
It's great that transfermarkt has all those stats. For example you can see how many goals of each players where headers/solo runs/long distance kicks, etc :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 22 June 2016, 17:37:02
Poland added :) I will take Belarus league :)

Hello. I can do Slovak league. And Slovak national team, if no one have it until now. In next days I will learn how you do it, but it should be not difficult.

Updated and assigned:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 23 June 2016, 17:05:22
Austria and Belarus added :) now I`m taking USA MLS League :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 25 June 2016, 15:50:17
I've been wondering why my league results were off/not correlating to player skills entirely so I've done some tests. A lot of them.

Conclusion: Teams with a certain general team number perform better than others. Even if you copy paste the same team and they're all identical, it's like some have a constant boost to their results, and some have a constant cut. Go figure!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: lobo on 27 June 2016, 07:10:44
Will there be no Messi in Argentina?  :o
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 27 June 2016, 10:44:50
Why not? He was playing before this update. That's why post-season updates are better than pre-season ones. You never know which new player will make it to the team, or if Messi will truly retire or not :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 27 June 2016, 16:02:01
Will there be no Messi in Argentina?  :o

If his retirement is 100%, then I guess he won't be included into the 16/17 national team.
But if you play career mode, and get to manage Argentina, you are free to call him up from Barcelona... ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 27 June 2016, 16:59:13
Nooo! SWOS is not pro-slavery! Messi must have some other/misc/custom nationality so you CANNOT call him ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 28 June 2016, 17:05:46
MLS added :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 28 June 2016, 18:28:06
MLS added :)

Good job!

Assignments / status topic updated entirely:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0

(table includes beta status column & release version status now).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 29 June 2016, 07:40:08
And a much better visibility  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Paranormaljoe on 03 July 2016, 14:30:08
the last update of my program in excel is

i give my dropbox for updates on real time

many things of the program can be change or fix

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fqtbdkwnpefzaw/Skill%20Generator%20%28transfermarkt%29%20v2.1.rar?dl=0

:D all speed is good :p d:
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Paranormaljoe on 03 July 2016, 14:49:44
I think the rule should be added :  for europa http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2017/accesslist/index.html ranking list for club teams :
if between 1 and 5 of the 1. Spain england germany France and italy clubs are  swos volue x 1 = The last value..!
if between 6-10  Portugal Russia ukrania netherlans and belgium clubs  swos volue x 0,9 = The last value..!
if between 11-20  Switzerland turkey grece, chech rep., romania  aus cro cyrus poland israel swos volue x 0,8 = The last value..!
21 and others swos volue x 0,75 = The last value..!
___
and national teams uefa or fifa ranking and  again so that the..    8) 8) 8) ;)

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Paranormaljoe on 03 July 2016, 14:54:42
Of course, but I wasn't talking about their prime... nor was I suggesting we abandon the price scheme.

The issue is that in real life price represents both skill and age while in SWOS it only represents skill, since SWOS players don't age.
It's only an issue in SWOS since there are great and cheap old players in all games where players age.
If I remember the players you named were still decent in SWOS, so the price probably reflects their post-serious-career skills :)

I'm sticking to the rules for this update, but I've seen that issue many times when I would do croatian league updates every year.
When a once-top player retires to such a weak league, he's often godlike in comparison to other players.
IRL his price will be the same as of his teammates or even much lower, simply because for players in their prime their price reflects skill, while for 35 year olds price represents but a fraction of their skill so in SWOS you may be forced to turn what is a really bad team with one quite decent player into a really bad team with one player that's even worse than the rest.




in japan legue :D ramon medina bello.. hmm dely valdes in psg 2,75 in panama 300 K ;:D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 05 July 2016, 09:24:46
I think the rule should be added :
21 and others swos volue x 0,75 = The last value..!

It's more likely the opposite should be added :) League/country reputation has a huge impact on player prices. Many players have gone worse during their careers but their prices grew by A LOT as they went from weaker leagues to top leagues. As a superstar player in Albanian league (no offense!) you'll only be worth a handful of peanuts. As soon as you get sold to premiership and play a decent season you'll have a respectable price many times over. It's not like you'll become 10x the player in a year :)


hmm dely valdes in psg 2,75 in panama 300 K ;:D

That is not really relevant to the text you quoted :) Also, it's terrible what they did with national (and many other) teams, regardless of the reason.


P.S. The generator says
"there is already data here, do you want to replace it"
YES
"0"

and then it freezes!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: BB on 05 July 2016, 22:15:48
I am not a good editor. I leave Malta domestic league and Malta National to you as good editors. I found in editor list that Malta is already done. Can I have a look and comment on it before it will be released? please, how? Thanks for you for including Malta in SWOS 16/17.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: BB on 05 July 2016, 22:33:59
From information circulating, newspapers etc - Maltese and foreign players (play in domestic league Malta) are priced around 5k to 60K (swos rating) but those who play outside Malta are priced more. Yearly money gate per team should be between 100k(inc prices of competition) to 30k for lower league position. These also includes other money gate from sponsorship. Expenses are high which counts to more than 100 k. Maltese players are good as Iceland but youngsters have difficulty to reach foreign professional squads. (money reason!)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 06 July 2016, 07:39:11
@BB: I haven't started Malta yet so if you want to do it you may!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 06 July 2016, 13:23:53
Will there be no Messi in Argentina?  :o

If his retirement is 100%, then I guess he won't be included into the 16/17 national team.
But if you play career mode, and get to manage Argentina, you are free to call him up from Barcelona... ;)

Copa America is a preset competition in the game, so why not have the latest teams in this update as accurate as possible? Latest used formations and players. Same goes for the Euro 2016 of course (although a new format).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Janko4 on 07 July 2016, 13:40:33
Sida79 is right, and I completely disagree with Paranormaljoe. Players in lower leagues are underestimated. Example - Lászlo Bénes with value 300k was sold from Žilina (SVK) to Mönchengladbach (GER) for 2M (according to Žilina it was over 5,5M), and his value now is 500k on Transfermarket. He is the same player, just changed league, and his price is almost 100 % higher. So we should consider multiply values of smaller leagues with some coefficient.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 07 July 2016, 16:07:00
True, but that would be too difficult and would require a separate coefficient for each league.

In all honesty SWOS was very unfair to lower league players, and the transfermarkt method, with all it's imperfections (e.g. being unfair towards old players), is a big step forward in comparison.

SWOS is,  after all, an arcade game, so the differences between players with skills 0 and skills 7 are incredible. In real life they would all probably fit between skills 4-7!
Price table could've been tweaked so that skills rise faster which would mean only the cheapest players are totally useless and each skill point is worth it's weight in gold for more expensive players, but hey... all valid ideas for 30th anniversary update! :)


Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 July 2016, 16:29:57
No coefficient whatsoever.
Simple and straight, use the price table and transfermarkt.com, please! Thank you!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 July 2016, 18:23:42
Assigned myself to all the remaining leagues (Cyprus, Israel, Luxembourg, Romania, Slovenia).
Assignments complete:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: maharaja on 08 July 2016, 16:25:52
Great!

Let's hope all people finish their editing in time!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 09 July 2016, 16:57:37
Will there be no Messi in Argentina?  :o

If his retirement is 100%, then I guess he won't be included into the 16/17 national team.
But if you play career mode, and get to manage Argentina, you are free to call him up from Barcelona... ;)

Copa America is a preset competition in the game, so why not have the latest teams in this update as accurate as possible? Latest used formations and players. Same goes for the Euro 2016 of course (although a new format).

For national teams, latest squads shall be used (August/September caps). Retired players shouldn't be taken into regard. Only if some players are injured, and still belong to the team!

EURO 16, CA 16, WC 14 will be included as editable DIY files, by Mozg.
(Already did, >>HERE<< (http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=25971.0)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 09 July 2016, 21:24:05
there's no Argentina without Messi or Mascherano, sorry
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Paranormaljoe on 10 July 2016, 18:01:21
I think the missing element : turkish and  russian legue player transfermarkt value x0,7 and 10-20 team transfermarkt value x1,2  20-30 transfermarkt value x1,3..
----------------------------
if player play in national team. : in uefa or fifa list 1-15 ranking team and  1-15 game play  to the nationateam.and  transfermarkt value x1,2 
15-30 game play  to the nationateam 1,3 and 30<nationalteamplay value 1,5. 
: in uefa or fifa list 15-30 ranking team and  1-15 game play  to the nationateam.and  transfermarkt value x1,1 
15-30 game play  to the nationateam valuex1,25 and 30<nationalteamplay valuex1,4.
: in uefa or fifa list 30-60 ranking team and  1-15 game play  to the nationateam.and  transfermarkt value x1,05 
15-30 game play  to the nationateam valuex1,2 and 30<nationalteamplay valuex1,3.
ranking 60 and others 1-15 game play  to the nationateam.and  transfermarkt value x1,01 
15-30 game play  to the nationateam valuex1,15 and 30<nationalteamplay valuex1,2. conversion factors . and ranking sample to be determined .
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 10 July 2016, 18:29:04
All those things already influence the player price. In fact, the major means of making money for my town's top club is:

1. make friends
2. have friends field your crappy players in the national team
3. watch their TM price rise immediately
4. sell them for a nice profit

:D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Janko4 on 13 July 2016, 13:56:54
I saw some finished national teams. Please rename Russian Fed. to Russia. There is also not German Bundesrepublic or Belgian Kingdom. Also Korea Republic would be probably better with name South Korea.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 13 July 2016, 14:38:51
Quick question - when will the updates start being put together for the English leagues? I only ask because we're obviously in a frantic transfer window at the moment, and it would be a shame for the teams to be out-of-date before the update is released.

Just want to also congratulate Playaveli on his organisation of this update - it's wonderful to see. I'd love to contribute but with two sons (the 2nd of which is only 2 weeks old) I'm struggling to have any spare time!

Much love to you all,
steve o
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 July 2016, 16:14:38
Deadline for team files = 30th Sept.
Check: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26242.0

Transfer window closes end of August!
Of course, all summer transfers will be included.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: BB on 14 July 2016, 00:08:00
I am doing of Malta league teams. One question - why some skills are rated from 8-15 and others from 0-7? I know they are the same but anyone knows? for wage expenses? skills improvement? I am using rating between 0-7 only.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: BB on 14 July 2016, 00:17:34
Also, in editor i have an option to change the number of teams in premier league. I have 10 premier league teams and 5 non league - old version. Can I change from 10 to 12 and leave 3 non league teams only? Or should I stick with the rules of swos 96/97 of ten team in a league?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 July 2016, 00:40:28
I am doing of Malta league teams. One question - why some skills are rated from 8-15 and others from 0-7? I know they are the same but anyone knows? for wage expenses? skills improvement? I am using rating between 0-7 only.

Malta league (and all other leagues) is already assigned to someone else:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0

Sorry, mate!  Assignments are closed for now.

Or have you agreed with Rock and Roll to take over Malta?

Also, in editor i have an option to change the number of teams in premier league. I have 10 premier league teams and 5 non league - old version. Can I change from 10 to 12 and leave 3 non league teams only? Or should I stick with the rules of swos 96/97 of ten team in a league?

If you do Malta, leave 10 premier, and 5 non-league. Do not change 96/97 structure.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 July 2016, 10:37:21
I haven't heard anything, but as I posted before, if someone wants Malta, they can take it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 July 2016, 11:55:56
ALGERIAN league (team.042) uploaded, beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 July 2016, 20:28:23
ALGERIAN league (team.042) uploaded, beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)

LUXEMBOURG league (team.021) uploaded, beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)

Some real funny names in those leagues.
Enough for today! :)




PS: Update/SWOS trivia:

One of the managers in Luxembourg has already been in 96/97...  as a player manager:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Weis
http://swos.gazchap.com/index.php?teamid=1170
Now managing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeunesse_Esch
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: BB on 15 July 2016, 00:33:04
Ok thanks. I am in finalyzing the  malta league team.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 16 July 2016, 12:43:41
Hi everybody! Starting Spain now! I have one question. Using 96/97 original data structure, Spanish first division will have 22 teams. Add two more teams on this case? Thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 16 July 2016, 12:59:56
Yes, keep the original structure intact.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 July 2016, 19:23:21
Correct! Add Rayo Vallecano and Getafe (18th and 19th of last season), to get 22 teams as in 96/97.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 17 July 2016, 07:21:58
Correct! Add Rayo Vallecano and Getafe (18th and 19th of last season), to get 22 teams as in 96/97.

Aren't Rayo and Getafe already included in those 20? I thought he would need to include the promoted teams from segunda division, Alaves and Leganes.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: BB on 17 July 2016, 12:52:29
MALTA league (team.024) uploaded. final version will be made if you want after the close of transfer market.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 July 2016, 10:32:09
MALTA league (team.024) uploaded. final version will be made if you want after the close of transfer market.

Uploaded to FTP. Check PM.
Beta status ticked in assignment topic.

*edit*

Players have a wrong price tag (they are too expensive). You seemed to have used a false conversion.
Use this price table to convert transfermarkt.com € price into SWOS price:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26242.0

Also, you have errors in skin color.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/jumplist/startseite/verein/10262

Frank Temile is a black guy. In your file, he is white.
Please review.




Correct! Add Rayo Vallecano and Getafe (18th and 19th of last season), to get 22 teams as in 96/97.

Aren't Rayo and Getafe already included in those 20? I thought he would need to include the promoted teams from segunda division, Alaves and Leganes.

SWOS has 22 teams in Spanish league.
Today, reality, LaLiga has only 20 teams: http://www.transfermarkt.com/primera-division/tabelle/wettbewerb/ES1/saison_id/2016

That means, you have to add two more teams! And those are: 18th / 19th of last season, which are in reality in LaLiga2.





Some of you asked me why to start now and do beta status files, when transfers aren't finished.
Don't forget, you also have to edit:
- Team names (16/17 season)
- Managers
- Home and away shirts

^^ That takes quite some time to research and edit. So better begin early!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Fredifredo85 on 18 July 2016, 14:33:04
some news about the french league ?  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 July 2016, 18:26:59
some news about the french league ?  :)

In the making, by bennn54.
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 19 July 2016, 11:37:15
CYPRUS league (team.005) uploaded, beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)

LOL, Aris Limassol still without keepers...
http://www.transfermarkt.com/aris-limassol/startseite/verein/10586/saison_id/2016

Two goalkeepers left the club...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cypriot_football_transfers_summer_2016#Aris_Limassol

 ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 20 July 2016, 06:54:14
Hehe. But they will surely get some keepers before the transfer deadline!

That's why I prefer end season updates. You have perfect data of who played, how much and on what position in what formation and how good he was that year :)
With pre-season you only know the players of the team so a lot of it is guesswork.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 20 July 2016, 09:57:57
Hehe. But they will surely get some keepers before the transfer deadline!

That's why I prefer end season updates. You have perfect data of who played, how much and on what position in what formation and how good he was that year :)
With pre-season you only know the players of the team so a lot of it is guesswork.

By beginning of September it'll be a clear picture of who will be in the season's starting line-ups.
And, some leagues run from March to October, no problem with those anyway.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Janko4 on 20 July 2016, 11:04:52
I finished Slovak league. Can you give me advise how to upload it on that ftp? (downloading from there is easier:-) )Or should I send file on email?
On the end of August I will update it. It is good, that we have most work done already now, update will go quicker.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 20 July 2016, 11:06:34
I finished Slovak league. Can you give me advise how to upload it on that ftp? (downloading from there is easier:-) )Or should I send file on email?
On the end of August I will update it. It is good, that we have most work done already now, update will go quicker.

Well done! Thanks.
Yes, send it on my e-mail. Will upload it for you.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 20 July 2016, 17:22:33
ROMANIA league (team.030) uploaded, beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)

@Janko4: Don't forget to mail me the team file of beta SLOVAKIA league.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 July 2016, 15:38:27
ISRAEL league (team.019) uploaded, beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)

---

Current team names, managers and shirt colors are correct! Some player glitches, wikipedia seems to be more recent than transfermarkt.com on this league.
Will review in September.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 22 July 2016, 09:23:02
I've noticed that too. For some clubs transfermarkt thinks they still have players they sold 3 or 4 seasons ago :)
-Why such strange distribution of 0-8/7-15 for Israel?
-Not a fan of player "�ARKO KORA?"
-An attacker playing as a midfield is not in the spirit of original SWOS. SWOS would have had him as a midfielder with the skills of an attacker :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Updat
Post by: Combat444 on 24 July 2016, 08:10:38
Was it something wrong with my Switzerland National team update? It still has status not complete, even though I have uploaded it.

Could I get to update Sweden and Finland national teams if it has not been done by Djowgear?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 24 July 2016, 11:23:34
Was it something wrong with my Switzerland National team update? It still has status not complete, even though I have uploaded it.

Could I get to update Sweden and Finland national teams if it has not been done by Djowgear?

Sure. You can get that. I will still do denmark and norway
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 24 July 2016, 13:41:15
Tack Djowger.

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 July 2016, 17:12:39
Was it something wrong with my Switzerland National team update? It still has status not complete, even though I have uploaded it.

Could I get to update Sweden and Finland national teams if it has not been done by Djowgear?

Sorry, simply forgot it. Changed Swiss NATIONAL now, to beta status tick!
Switched djowGer and you for SWE + FIN!

Thanks, guys!


I've noticed that too. For some clubs transfermarkt thinks they still have players they sold 3 or 4 seasons ago :)
-Why such strange distribution of 0-8/7-15 for Israel?
-Not a fan of player "�ARKO KORA?"
-An attacker playing as a midfield is not in the spirit of original SWOS. SWOS would have had him as a midfielder with the skills of an attacker :)

Seconded! :)
Israel league is a real pain in the a... to edit! But I will manage it, somehow!
Did some tests with armando's team generator excel file, that caused the 0-7 and 8-15 distributions.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 26 July 2016, 16:54:27
Moi,

I uploaded now team.080-CH-FI-SE including the national teams for Switzerland, Finland and Sweden. I did an update to Switzerland, I had underestimated the values of the Swiss players I noticed when I checked transfermarket.com.

Djowgear, what about the national leagues of Finland and Sweden, is that something you would like to share?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 26 July 2016, 18:39:00
Moi,

I uploaded now team.080-CH-FI-SE including the national teams for Switzerland, Finland and Sweden. I did an update to Switzerland, I had underestimated the values of the Swiss players I noticed when I checked transfermarket.com.

Djowgear, what about the national leagues of Finland and Sweden, is that something you would like to share?

Checked the teams. Well done, Combat444! Good balance, prices are perfectly set.

Only one thing: Check latest tactic on transfermarkt.com. Example Switzerland, they play 4-2-3-1 formation. In SWOS, that would be either 4-5-1 or 4-2-4 (whereas the wing-attackers stay LW/RW). In your file, it's on 4-4-2.
Please take that into regard.
In SWOES, you can click on "TACTICS" button, to change it accordingly.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 26 July 2016, 20:50:57
Thanks. I will check that. Sweden and Finland are 4-4-2. Or at least they will play 4-4-2 with their new coaches, they don't have the players for any other tactics.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 27 July 2016, 07:28:25
Hi,

You are right, Finland is 5-3-2, http://www.transfermarkt.com/finnland/teuersteelf/verein/3443?nebenpositionen=1&taktik_id=6&yt0=Send++
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 27 July 2016, 13:21:11
Now I uploaded the file again with correct tactics. /Kristofer
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 31 July 2016, 13:48:27
Now I uploaded the file again with correct tactics. /Kristofer

Nice1. Thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 31 July 2016, 19:51:18
Good evening everybody, I´m finishing a beta update on Swiss League using amazing excel program Skill Generator, maked by Armando Jiménez. I have included Neuchatel Xamax and Fc Zurich on the league because Swiis League on 1996 have 12 teams and now only 10. I will upload it in the few days.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 31 July 2016, 19:58:15
Good evening everybody, I´m finishing a beta update on Swiss League using amazing excel program Skill Generator, maked by Armando Jiménez. I have included Neuchatel Xamax and Fc Zurich on the league because Swiis League on 1996 have 12 teams and now only 10. I will upload it in the few days.

Good news!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 01 August 2016, 14:25:05
I finished Slovak league. Can you give me advise how to upload it on that ftp? (downloading from there is easier:-) )Or should I send file on email?
On the end of August I will update it. It is good, that we have most work done already now, update will go quicker.

Slovakian league uploaded!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 02 August 2016, 08:10:47
Looking good :) But it seems several teams don't have any attackers on the bench.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 05 August 2016, 19:54:32
I guess that the structure of European Cups will be the same as in the original so CL will look like this:

Gr A: Basel, Celtic, PSG, PSV
Gr B: Astra, Barcelona, Bayern, Legia
Gr C: Besiktas, Leicester, Real, Salzburg
Gr D: Benfica, Juventus, Norrkoping, Rosenborg

for CWC and UC I invite to brainstorm :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 06 August 2016, 03:08:49
Hi all.

I have completed the English Premier league and English national team and uploaded to the server! I will of course continue to update as transfers happen.

Gorzo - I think we arranged for me to do Premier and Championship and you to do the rest of English leagues? If possible could you take the Championship off of me? I'm very busy with work now and worried I wont be able to finish it and keep up in time. I am happy to continue updating the Premier as I said. If you can't do it, I will try my best :-)

Thanks, really looking forward to the full release!

SaintGav.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 06 August 2016, 03:31:01
Also, I have a strange problem with Manchester United, Bastian Schweinsteiger is showing up twice in the game but clearly in my editor it shows:

7 Bastian Schweinsteiger
16 Marcus Rashford

For some reason when I click the tactics button in the editor, or when im in game, it shows Schweinsteiger is in place of Marcus Rashford. If I delete Schweinsteiger it deletes BOTH positions...any ideas?

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 06 August 2016, 09:07:22
Hi all.

I have completed the English Premier league and English national team and uploaded to the server! I will of course continue to update as transfers happen.

Gorzo - I think we arranged for me to do Premier and Championship and you to do the rest of English leagues? If possible could you take the Championship off of me? I'm very busy with work now and worried I wont be able to finish it and keep up in time. I am happy to continue updating the Premier as I said. If you can't do it, I will try my best :-)

Thanks, really looking forward to the full release!

SaintGav.

No problem I will take also Championship League :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 06 August 2016, 11:28:19
I have completed the English Premier league and English national team and uploaded to the server! I will of course continue to update as transfers happen.

Quite a job there, can't wait to play it! This one also has that "too many secondary skills" issue where 3 becomes 11 etc.


for CWC and UC I invite to brainstorm :D

Don't they have to be the same as well?

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 06 August 2016, 12:02:57
I have completed the English Premier league and English national team and uploaded to the server! I will of course continue to update as transfers happen.

Quite a job there, can't wait to play it! This one also has that "too many secondary skills" issue where 3 becomes 11 etc.


for CWC and UC I invite to brainstorm :D

Don't they have to be the same as well?

Exactly :D give me a moment and I remember the teams of the 96-97 season and I will do replacement for this season :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 06 August 2016, 13:33:19
Ok than the Cup Winners Cup and the Uefa Cup structure:

CWC: Gre-Olympiakos, Cyp-APOEL, Den-Kopenhagen, Swe-Hacken, Spa-Atletico, Por-Braga, Nor-Stromsgodset, Bel-Standard, Svk-Trencin, Ita-Napoli, Tur-Fenerbahce, Rom-Steaua, Far-B36, Ger-Dortmund, Hun-Ferencvaros, Ice-Hafnarfjordur, Bul-Ludogorets, Eng-Manchester Utd, Wal-TNS, Rus-Zenit, Fin-SJK, Ukr-D. Kiev, Slo-O. Ljubljana, Fra-Lyon, Hol-Feyenoord, Lat-Liepaja, Yug-Crvena, Isr-H. Beer Sheva, Sui-Zurich, Cze-Mlada, Aut-Rapid, Cro-D. Zagrzeb

UC:
Sco-Hibernian, Belgium-Club Brugge, Anderlecht, Tur-Konyaspor, Basaksehir, Por-Sporting, Porto Arouca, Den-Sonderjyske, Spa-Villarreal, Bilbao, Sevilla, Hun-Videoton, Hol-Ajax, Aut-Austria, Ger-Leverkusen, Gladbach, Schalke, Mainz, Swe-Goteborg, Ita-Roma, Inter, Fiorentina, Pol-Piast, Fra-Monaco, Nice, Rom-Pandurii, Sui-Young Boys, Eng-Arsenal, Cze-Plzen, Rus-CSKA, Rostov

that I see it :)

What others think? :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: esteledhel on 06 August 2016, 17:47:55
Hi, guys, i´m guessing we´ll have to wait until the full release is complete, right? but i´d love to be able to try the already updated files!

love all the work you do.

thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 August 2016, 18:23:46
Hi, guys, i´m guessing we´ll have to wait until the full release is complete, right? but i´d love to be able to try the already updated files!

love all the work you do.

thanks!

Thank you.
Yes, you'll have to wait for the full game release. ;)

@Gorzo: Looks good! 8)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 07 August 2016, 00:38:48
Swiss League Beta status ready. What i have to do to upload file?  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 August 2016, 12:21:50
Swiss League Beta status ready. What i have to do to upload file?  :)

I've resend info to you on PM!
If not, just send the file to my email, and I'll upload for you.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: whiteulver on 07 August 2016, 15:10:29
I dont know if this has been mentioned before, but i have some queries about players' nationalities than did not exist in original swos.
Example Serbia doesnt exist.

So i want to ask what we do in such a situation. Should i assign YUG nationality then?
I dont want to insult, in any way, any nation by given the wrong value for a player.

Thanks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 August 2016, 15:40:20
Correct, assign all balcan nationalities (which haven't their own country represented in SWOS, like eg. CRO...) to YUG.
Players from Cap Verde or other countries which aren't included in SWOS should go under CUS (custom).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: whiteulver on 07 August 2016, 16:07:51
Correct, assign all balcan nationalities (which haven't their own country represented in SWOS, like eg. CRO...) to YUG.
Players from Cap Verde or other countries which aren't included in SWOS should go under CUS (custom).

Ok Playaveli, thanks :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 August 2016, 20:23:41
SWISS league (Betichus) uploaded! Beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 August 2016, 17:37:13
SLOVENIA league (myself) uploaded! Beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)

(Thanks to Sida for solving an import problem)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 16 August 2016, 01:12:43
South America national teams uploaded.

beta status - based on Copa America 2016 games and WC2018 qualifiers before Copa America plus current coaches changes

I shall verify after September and October WC2018 qualifiers - there are several new coaches so I suspect some changes in lineups and tactics...
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: ruicosta10fc on 16 August 2016, 16:25:28
hi, sorry guys can't do my part as haven't been with much time available lately
greetings!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 August 2016, 21:57:32
hi, sorry guys can't do my part as haven't been with much time available lately
greetings!

Ok, anyone interested in taking over leagues of REP. IRELAND and MEXICO?




Meanwhile, GHANA league uploaded, beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)

GHANA league = 8 teams (today: 16) --> picked the first 8 of last season. Not sure when current season will end. Maybe teams will be changed.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 16 August 2016, 22:06:29
GHANA league = 8 teams (today: 16) --> picked the first 8 of last season. Not sure when current season will end. Maybe teams will be changed.

last games (week 30) are scheduled on September 17
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 August 2016, 22:07:42
GHANA league = 8 teams (today: 16) --> picked the first 8 of last season. Not sure when current season will end. Maybe teams will be changed.

last games (week 30) are scheduled on September 17

Thanks, I just found that info, too... So, in that case, I will pick first 8 teams from current season, of course!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 16 August 2016, 22:13:26
BTW, what about countries where leagues finished in spring (2015/2016) and new season starts this August or September (2016/2017).

This is the case for most countries I guess...

Do we choose teams according to 2015/2016 final table or the new season table (and after how many game weeks)?

:P
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 August 2016, 22:28:37
Easy rule: Only take finished tables, if team number has to be reduced.
In case of GHANA, I can wait for 17th Sept., to get it most up-to-date (before deadline on 30th Sep!)!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Janko4 on 17 August 2016, 10:48:19
Regarding teams, which will be in CL, we should do it I think like this: in this moment is in CL still playing 22 champions, from those we should take 16 - maybe according of ranking of countries, or ranking of clubs. Or we can wait few days for play-offs in CL, and we will see which more champions will be eliminated. From other teams, we should split cup winners, and again those, which are still playing in Champions League or Europa league, we should find 32 teams. And from rest teams in Europa League, we can find 32 best teams, or we can give few places for countries, which would have no team in CL and CWC. I will do analysis, which can help to consider.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 17 August 2016, 10:50:44
Regarding teams, which will be in CL, we should do it I think like this: in this moment is in CL still playing 22 champions, from those we should take 16 - maybe according of ranking of countries, or ranking of clubs. Or we can wait few days for play-offs in CL, and we will see which more champions will be eliminated. From other teams, we should split cup winners, and again those, which are still playing in Champions League or Europa league, we shoul find 32 teams. And from rest teams in Europa League, we can find 64 best teams, or we can give few places for countries, which would have no team in CL and CWC. I will do analysis, which can help to consider.

Good points there! Sounds very sensible!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update - Rep. Ireland
Post by: Combat444 on 20 August 2016, 09:10:58
Hi Playa,

Could I do Rep. Ireland then if Costa is willing to give it away?

Regards Kristofer
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Paranormaljoe on 22 August 2016, 00:15:43
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Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Paranormaljoe on 22 August 2016, 00:17:08
i send to :o thnx.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 22 August 2016, 18:02:55
Hi Playa,

Could I do Rep. Ireland then if Costa is willing to give it away?

Regards Kristofer

That's fine, thanks for jumping in on this one! :)



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Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Paranormaljoe on 24 August 2016, 11:25:10
i send to you . Carsten : )
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 25 August 2016, 21:48:04
Just lost my Scotland update.  So back on it tomorrow and Saturday (joys of deciding to use the pc instead of mac!)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wheaty81 on 29 August 2016, 12:34:36
been a fan of swos years and years , im just wondering if i could help in the update in some way , i dont earn a living in computers or coding but would still like to help the process .

ps . is there a link to the 15/16 update that i could use till the 16/17 is finished ?

thanks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 31 August 2016, 23:33:51
been a fan of swos years and years , im just wondering if i could help in the update in some way , i dont earn a living in computers or coding but would still like to help the process .

ps . is there a link to the 15/16 update that i could use till the 16/17 is finished ?

thanks

Use this until 16/17 will be released: http://files.swos.eu/updates15-16/package/

Thanks for the offer. Tomorrow is deadline of transfer window. We will continue now with people already assigned.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 01 September 2016, 00:19:56
Transfer window is closed  :). Time to update!.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 01 September 2016, 14:45:48
Transfer window is closed  :). Time to update!.

Correct, let's move on!

Turkish League, beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)
Northern Irish League, beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 02 September 2016, 08:32:57
I'll have to let someone else update Croatia. Pre-season updates are more demanding than post-season ones and I don't have nearly as much time as I used to :\
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 02 September 2016, 14:14:27
One question about national players v club players. As I am updating the danish national team, I need to know if skills on national teams should be the same as on club teams? The value is the same of course, since we use the table of conversion and position might differ too. I have no idea what skills ie Christian Erikssen (Tottenham) is given from Premier League updater. Do I just select my own or do I wait for this and other leagues to be finished before I do the national team?

To sum up, In 96-97 version there is a big difference in value and skills, ie Weah (Liberia/AC Milan). In this new update value should be kept the same of course, but skills? As of now, I have just selected my own skills (but also because a lot of the danish players are playing in the domestic league).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 02 September 2016, 15:16:41
Same price, correct.
But no need for exact same skills. Many players perform differently in National teams, or even play on a different position there.
Go for your own touch, that is completely fine, and also reflects reality, to some extend.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: rickslick on 03 September 2016, 10:33:35
can i ask what program you use for editing?

the editor i have, every time i delete a name to input new name it just stays blank and won't let me put a new name in??
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 03 September 2016, 14:13:53
can i ask what program you use for editing?

the editor i have, every time i delete a name to input new name it just stays blank and won't let me put a new name in??

Old 1.3: http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/SwoEditor1.3.zip
New 2.0.3: http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/SWOES2.zip (including latest team generator by armando: 7.2)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 September 2016, 17:50:59
GERMAN leagues uploaded! Beta status: (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)
They're almost in release status, only need review by 2nd division experts (Itchy / Redhair).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 September 2016, 20:20:58
SOUTH AFRICA league uploaded: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 September 2016, 16:38:47
CYPRUS league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 September 2016, 17:37:17
ESTONIA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 September 2016, 18:15:49
LATVIA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 September 2016, 18:42:37
LITHUANIA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 05 September 2016, 19:24:27
LUXEMBOURG league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
(note: only very few transfers since beta status, none of which affected the squads of first 16 players)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 06 September 2016, 10:36:07
Hi Playa - could I make one request please and I don't know whether this is possible, but I had real trouble running Total Pack with a wireless Xbox One pad. Is it possible to add this functionality to the SWOS 16/17 update please?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 September 2016, 13:25:43
Hi Playa - could I make one request please and I don't know whether this is possible, but I had real trouble running Total Pack with a wireless Xbox One pad. Is it possible to add this functionality to the SWOS 16/17 update please?

This functionality will have to be added by yourself. How?
http://joytokey.net/en/
Use this to map your wireless controller on keyboard input (up-down-left-right-fire), then start SWOS with keyboard controls. Done! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 September 2016, 14:24:16
ROMANIA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
(note: Biggest pain in the arse to edit... in the past 3 weeks, 3 clubs went bankrupt and got dissolved... and transfers went crazy!)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 06 September 2016, 15:04:22
ROMANIA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
(note: Biggest pain in the arse to edit... in the past 3 weeks, 3 clubs went bankrupt and got dissolved... and transfers went crazy!)

Try El Salvador...clubs disappeared, players changed clubs or disappeared from the face of the earth...
Almost got the top division done again. Got a few extra clubs in the other divisions too.
Waiting to have a definite list of clubs I can't find info on before I start mailing :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 06 September 2016, 15:32:53
Hi Playa - could I make one request please and I don't know whether this is possible, but I had real trouble running Total Pack with a wireless Xbox One pad. Is it possible to add this functionality to the SWOS 16/17 update please?

This functionality you will have to be added by yourself. How?
http://joytokey.net/en/
Use this to map your wireless controller on keyboard input (up-down-left-right-fire), then start SWOS with keyboard controls. Done! ;)
Amazing, thank you! I'll keep that in mind. Are you still aiming for late October? I'm very excited by this, and thinking about coming to Sensible Days next time too :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 September 2016, 15:49:06
ISRAEL league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)

@Colin: Nice1...  :D
@Steve: Sure, late October!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 September 2016, 16:32:50
SLOVENIAN league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 September 2016, 17:49:35
INDIA league: Beta status! (http://files.swos.eu/pic/tick.png)
(note: only last season's champion FC Goa has an unfinished squad on transfermarkt. Rest is finished!)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 September 2016, 19:06:45
GHANA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wheaty81 on 06 September 2016, 20:19:38
been a fan of swos years and years , im just wondering if i could help in the update in some way , i dont earn a living in computers or coding but would still like to help the process .

ps . is there a link to the 15/16 update that i could use till the 16/17 is finished ?

thanks

Use this until 16/17 will be released: http://files.swos.eu/updates15-16/package/

Thanks for the offer. Tomorrow is deadline of transfer window. We will continue now with people already assigned.

sorry to be a pain but im not sure how to use what you have sent is there not just a single file to download in order to play 15/16 update ..... cheers pal
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 September 2016, 20:25:12
Download the game: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=25971.0
Then download the files from http://files.swos.eu/updates15-16/package/  and replace accordingly.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wheaty81 on 06 September 2016, 20:52:18
ok so i downloaded 96/97 and compressed it ? but im not sure how to use the update theres a huge list of files .... ps im a plumber and not great with computers but really enjoy swos
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 September 2016, 14:45:27
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=25971.0
Download and extract zipped file. Run game, as tutorial in this topic suggests (read thoroughly).

Download files from http://files.swos.eu/updates15-16/package/  and replace the ones in your extracted "game" and "data" directory.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 September 2016, 14:50:50
ALGERIA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Paranormaljoe on 07 September 2016, 15:55:12
last update for team 38 turkish legue.. now transfer season almost done.. last update for team 38 turkish legue..all errors were checked. and now Turkish Legue is ready . Mr. Habermann i send you mail.. team 38... : )
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 September 2016, 16:54:31
last update for team 38 turkish legue.. now transfer season almost done.. last update for team 38 turkish legue..all errors were checked. and now Turkish Legue is ready . Mr. Habermann i send you mail.. team 38... : )

Good work. Will check it and then upload!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 07 September 2016, 18:02:39
I know I'm very quiet but I am still busy.
I have to wait for New Zealand and Australia but preliminary research shows that they should be ok to find.

El Salvador...well I've got the first division done, but everything below that is a real pain.
Attached you can find two pictures I found on Leones de Occidente...at least I know they play 4-4-2 :D.

Just waiting to see which teams really don't have an online presence. Then hopefully I'll get some answers via
facebook mails etc.....

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 September 2016, 18:23:47
^^  LOL! That's investigated-like! :) Keep going.
Taiwan league has some info on wikipedia, luckily.


last update for team 38 turkish legue.. now transfer season almost done.. last update for team 38 turkish legue..all errors were checked. and now Turkish Legue is ready . Mr. Habermann i send you mail.. team 38... : )

Good work. Will check it and then upload!

Checked and corrected few things (mostly some players with too much speed).
Uploaded.

TURKISH league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 September 2016, 18:54:53
NORTHERN IRELAND league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)

Excellent work by Theologistic!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 08 September 2016, 07:50:14
NATIONAL TEAMS, AFRICA (team.081) uploaded. all teams have BETA status. I saw many changes in the first teams I edited, so I will recheck them the next days.

most important (at least for me): old man Kameni ist still no 1 of cameroun (and still 5 million value) ^^ so we definitely have an african 4-star keeper (+ cameroun got a new young 10 million striker for the bench) --> means we have at least 1 considerable competitive african team now. there are stronger teams of course, but they only have 3 star keepers... (like newcastle or ac milan in swos 96/97).

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 08 September 2016, 16:49:51
^^ good work, Bomb!

In the meantime:
ASIA NATIONAL TEAMS: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
(note: A few recent new head coaches, and some player changes since beta status!)

CURRENT STATUS UPDATE:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 08 September 2016, 20:04:52
MALTA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)

Trivia: Three coaches named Zammit... dammit ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: ilgello on 09 September 2016, 14:38:52
Guys, if you need any help with any team/league I will be happy to help and give back something to this legendary game.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 09 September 2016, 14:56:25
Guys, if you need any help with any team/league I will be happy to help and give back something to this legendary game.

Thanks, if needed I'll get back to you.
Welcome on this site. ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 09 September 2016, 15:54:14
OCEANIA national teams: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: ilgello on 09 September 2016, 16:00:00
Guys, if you need any help with any team/league I will be happy to help and give back something to this legendary game.

Thanks, if needed I'll get back to you.
Welcome on this site. ;)

Thanks and my pleasure.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 09 September 2016, 19:25:15
Struggling with info on Taiwan league squads... could only find 4 (from 12) of them by now:
- Power company
- NSTC
- Royal Blues
- Taipei C. Tatung

If you got any info on more squads, please notify me.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 09 September 2016, 21:53:54
If you do google translate:
1   up   (2)   Kaohsiung Taipower   Kaohsiung Taipower   14   12   1   1   37   58   5   53
2   down   (1)   Taipei Datong   Taipei Datong   14   9   3   2   30   46   12   34
3   up   (4)   Taiwan large body   Taiwan large body   14   8   3   3   27   41   17   twenty four
4   down   (3)   National Reserve Training   National Reserve Training   14   8   1   5   25   39   25   14
5   up   (6)   Taipei Royal blue   Taipei Royal blue   14   6   2   6   20   35   26   9
6   down   (5)   Ming Chuan University   Ming Chuan University   14   5   2   7   17   twenty three   28   -5
7   same   (7)   Taichung City   Taichung City   14   2   0   12   6   18   73   -55
8   same   (8)   Air source cause   Air source cause
From http://www.ctfa.com.tw/2015-16-inter-city.html
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 09 September 2016, 21:57:59
Or here are the team names http://us.soccerway.com/teams/chinese-taipei/ming-chuan-university/6132/
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 09 September 2016, 22:26:48
I have
Or here are the team names http://us.soccerway.com/teams/chinese-taipei/ming-chuan-university/6132/


I know... have all the team names... but not the squads (player names)! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 10 September 2016, 02:51:51
I have
Or here are the team names http://us.soccerway.com/teams/chinese-taipei/ming-chuan-university/6132/


I know... have all the team names... but not the squads (player names)! ;)

There is some names here: http://www.betstudy.com/soccer-stats/teams/taipower/6136/

It says season 2015/2016, but of course I cant confirm if it is true. Click on squad to see names.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 11 September 2016, 19:31:11
Scotland national team uploaded. TEAM.080_SCOTLAND
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 11 September 2016, 20:09:24
However, I would prefer China league instead of taiwan.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 12 September 2016, 08:17:44
However, I would prefer China league instead of taiwan.

Me too - if we want SWOS to expand China would be preferable compared to Taiwan.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 12 September 2016, 09:13:10
As I said before, we can't change Taiwan to China. Even though it might be better.
We're only updating the teams in 96/97, not changing competitions etc..
If we change Taiwan....well....why?
The reasons to change would apply to a lot of other leagues and that's not a place we want to go.
It'd be the first domino to fall, and the spirit of this update would be gone.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 12 September 2016, 10:40:53
As I said before, we can't change Taiwan to China. Even though it might be better.
We're only updating the teams in 96/97, not changing competitions etc..
If we change Taiwan....well....why?
The reasons to change would apply to a lot of other leagues and that's not a place we want to go.
It'd be the first domino to fall, and the spirit of this update would be gone.

I can see the problem, but do we want to make it playable or do we just want to keep the SWOS-spirit. In this case no one want to play in Taiwan (where it is more or less impossible to find the teams), but China could be a lot more interesting for everyone.

El Salvador is of course another problem....
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 12 September 2016, 11:44:36
Sticking with the same logic (and I really do understand why China ticks a lot of boxes).
Why not replace e.g. San Marino with Bosnia?
And yes, El Salvador is a massive pain to find information outside the Primera.
Why not e.g. switch El Salvador and the USA?

That's the problem, there are a lot of logical switches that could be made which might all improve the game.
That would mean a massive rewrite. Something I would be very very interested in and something which would interest even more people. But that's not this update. This is just showing what has happened to SWOS in 20 years.
Which is why Taiwan should be in, how illogical it might be to some.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 12 September 2016, 17:54:44
Sticking with the same logic (and I really do understand why China ticks a lot of boxes).
Why not replace e.g. San Marino with Bosnia?
And yes, El Salvador is a massive pain to find information outside the Primera.
Why not e.g. switch El Salvador and the USA?

That's the problem, there are a lot of logical switches that could be made which might all improve the game.
That would mean a massive rewrite. Something I would be very very interested in and something which would interest even more people. But that's not this update. This is just showing what has happened to SWOS in 20 years.
Which is why Taiwan should be in, how illogical it might be to some.
For what it's worth, I agree with this entirely. We need to keep the old teams for now, along with the old spirit. That's what this is; an update to the data 20 years on.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 12 September 2016, 19:48:46
In this case no one want to play in Taiwan (where it is more or less impossible to find the teams), but China could be a lot more interesting for everyone.

El Salvador is of course another problem....

hey, how often we played with teams from el salvador just for fun? its like good and evil: there must be both.

Struggling with info on Taiwan league squads...

imagine how pain-in-the-ass it must have been 20 years ago to find some data about el salvador or taiwan... :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: lobo on 12 September 2016, 22:25:26
Someone  can always do unofficial  official  unofficial  update after this one is released  ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: lobo on 12 September 2016, 22:28:44
But on serious note as much as I would love to have Steven Gerrard in SWOS, I totally support sticking to original league structure   
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 12 September 2016, 22:29:46
USA was in the original swos though... So he'll be in it going off that.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: lobo on 12 September 2016, 22:31:01
Oh, was it? Gathered it was not from Rock'solid previous post 
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 12 September 2016, 22:32:26
Yeah used to get lalas and campos all the time
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: lobo on 12 September 2016, 22:35:12
Even more so, bring original structure on.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 12 September 2016, 22:37:58
Can understand people wanting china over Taiwan because of all the crazy transfers at the moment though. But defo needs to stick to the same structure as the original.  People will no doubt do the usual legends updates etc once this is done though.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 12 September 2016, 23:54:58
I dont know if it is the right thread to write in, but I do it anyway.

First, Armando did an excellent job with making the excel-sheet, but I see some problems.

First problem: I made some of the National Teams in North America before I knew about the excel-sheet. I can see if I calculate from the "editing rules" the price is below the one from the excel-sheet. It vary up to 100k from time to time. This is really a lot for those poor teams.

Second problem: Lots of the players get speed as one of the main abilities (from Excel), which really doesnt make sense.

Third problem: E.g some of the attackers might get too much in "tackling". So you have to re-calculate anyway.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 13 September 2016, 05:24:16
@andib: I do not have excel, so I couldn't use armandos sheet. anyway, after getting the players in the swos editor and randomly calculating their skills, I very often had to "correct" or switch player skills because it did not make sense.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 13 September 2016, 07:36:21
@lobo: I meant the size of USA's league in SWOS. El Salvador has way more teams.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 13 September 2016, 07:41:13
@andib: I do not have excel, so I couldn't use armandos sheet. anyway, after getting the players in the swos editor and randomly calculating their skills, I very often had to "correct" or switch player skills because it did not make sense.

Exactly and I have of course done the same and decreased the value of the players. Guess others havent done this so it will not show correct value with a lot of players in the update. Compared to others "our" teams will be weak.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 September 2016, 13:42:09
@andib: I do not have excel, so I couldn't use armandos sheet. anyway, after getting the players in the swos editor and randomly calculating their skills, I very often had to "correct" or switch player skills because it did not make sense.

Exactly and I have of course done the same and decreased the value of the players. Guess others havent done this so it will not show correct value with a lot of players in the update. Compared to others "our" teams will be weak.

This update will be spot on. I fly over each uploaded team file, so big mistakes in price (and speed skill) will be corrected.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 13 September 2016, 13:50:16
I think Playaveli is checking the values of players and balancing across leagues before he submits them into the official update isn't he?

Edit: sorry, replied before I saw Playa's post.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 13 September 2016, 14:05:59
Well it is a crazy job. Lots of work.

Great work Playa
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 13 September 2016, 18:29:29
When you update your team I hope you look at wikipedia as well for recent call-ups.

I can mention Raul Jimenez from Mexico. He has 47 caps and is 25 years old. He is playing in Benfica and was injured during the match against Honduras the 6th of September 2016.

He is valued €8mio = €1.8mio, but he is not in the overview of the Mexican national team on transfermarkt.

I might not matter that much for a team like Bermuda or the El Salvadorian 4th division, but it is pretty important for the Mexican team to have a second striker like this along with Chicharito.

Could be the same for many African and European national teams as well and you wont find these players if you only use the excel-sheet. You have to do a bit more than this.

This was my 15 min of fame  8)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 September 2016, 22:16:02
^^ well said!
As with every scientific studies, you have to rely on or rather quote more than just one source (for National teams!).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 14 September 2016, 12:46:19
Could you get me advice about shirt numbers, how can I use them? Can I give any from 1-11 to the starting squad? THX
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 14 September 2016, 14:15:43
Could you get me advice about shirt numbers, how can I use them? Can I give any from 1-11 to the starting squad? THX

All is mentioned under the first post in this thread. Here are the rules listed: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26242.0

To give you a short answer: YES! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 September 2016, 17:24:14
I have
Or here are the team names http://us.soccerway.com/teams/chinese-taipei/ming-chuan-university/6132/


I know... have all the team names... but not the squads (player names)! ;)

There is some names here: http://www.betstudy.com/soccer-stats/teams/taipower/6136/

It says season 2015/2016, but of course I cant confirm if it is true. Click on squad to see names.

Team names and the squad of taipower (as stated some posts earlier) are not the problem.
Need all the squads, except the ones I found already. Those are:
- Power company (Taipower)
- NSTC
- Royal Blues
- Taipei C. Tatung


Will try on the weekend again.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 14 September 2016, 21:23:15
All North American NATIONAL teams uploaded. Im pretty sure they are ready for release (TEAM.083)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 14 September 2016, 23:05:43
Could you get me advice about shirt numbers, how can I use them? Can I give any from 1-11 to the starting squad? THX

All is mentioned under the first post in this thread. Here are the rules listed: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26242.0

To give you a short answer: YES! :)
I have read it, but that's a rule, and I was seeking for advice too. Thanks in the same time :)

Another question (not about the rules, but about best practice): Average players in the Hungarian league have around 9-13 skillpoints for the 7 skills added together. Should I prefer to create balanced players with many 1-2s and some 3-4s, or more like specialist (like stirkers with 4-5 for F with many 0s, etc.) What do you think? (Yes, with not overused S).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 15 September 2016, 11:39:02
Rules, guidelines, advice.. Call it what you want.

Well as a general rule, speed should not be overused or underused. In lower ranked leagues you will most likely only have problems with strong allround players. The 3 letters for top skills should make sense. Most important skills to have for defenders are Tackling. Midfielders should have passing, control and defensive midfielders are often the hardest ones, as they should have a little of everything but mostly tackling and passing. Attackers should have a decent amount of Finishing, then everything else is less important. You can use the generator in SWOES 1.3 for skills after you have selected the value, but some tweaking is usually needed. Ie remove finishing from defenders, or at least reduce it. For weaker teams it makes no sense at least. Hope my advices is of any use.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 15 September 2016, 11:53:15
I'm afraid not. :) But mybe my needs are special.

I try to make players realistic, I won't use any generator, refrigerator or flux capacitor.

A good example: MTK have a legendary (and now quite old so cheap so bit skilles in swos) player. He have 11 points. IRL he is legendary Header, he is goog with Tackles, not bad at Passing, very good at Control, have distance sVhooting ability, and ofc very good finsh. I have two road to take: Makes him realistic, so with many 2s, he will be quite a useless player, or make him as a general striker, but not balanced, not with T etc.

For me it is more interesting to make him (and others) real, but I would gladly hear/read other contributors ideas, especially who also made lower valued player leagues detailed, or with the same approach.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 15 September 2016, 12:05:18
Base his/others skills on the position. With weaker players you dont have much choice otherwise you will make the entire leagues useless to play with, but you will not know before you playtest it. For That particular striker I would choose Heading Finishing, and then either Velocity or control.

I had the same choice with lots of older players, who are great allrounders.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 15 September 2016, 12:31:44
Each editor who is supplying team files may also submit an ORIGINAL CUSTOM TEAM!
How? Just choose an original custom team of your choice from SWOS 96/97, and edit the names (not skills / positions). Post screenshot.

First come, first serve!

Just saw this. So I will have a go at it. Based on Sensible FC. But didn't check 32 pages for other teams chosen already. ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/ehUqAE8.jpg)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 15 September 2016, 12:57:45
Thank you!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 September 2016, 14:17:12
Should I prefer to create balanced players with many 1-2s and some 3-4s, or more like specialist (like stirkers with 4-5 for F with many 0s, etc.) What do you think? (Yes, with not overused S).

Do both! ;)

About shirt numbers, I suggest classic way, with following ranges of numbers:
Defenders --> 2,3,4,5,6
Midfielders --> 6,7,8,9,10,11
Attackers --> 7,8,9,10,11

Easy!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 15 September 2016, 14:24:00
Should I prefer to create balanced players with many 1-2s and some 3-4s, or more like specialist (like stirkers with 4-5 for F with many 0s, etc.) What do you think? (Yes, with not overused S).

Do both! ;)

About shirt numbers, I suggest classic way, with following ranges of numbers:
Defenders --> 2,3,4,5,6
Midfielders --> 6,7,8,9,10,11
Attackers --> 7,8,9,10,11

Easy!

Hehe not what you told me yesterday about numbers
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 15 September 2016, 16:04:00
I picked Irl numbers if possible even if an attacker choose number 3 like bendtner in wolfsburg
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 15 September 2016, 17:24:27
I picked Irl numbers if possible even if an attacker choose number 3 like bendtner in wolfsburg

I tried to do the same, but many of my teams only had like two or three numbers between 1-11
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 September 2016, 17:33:34
Should I prefer to create balanced players with many 1-2s and some 3-4s, or more like specialist (like stirkers with 4-5 for F with many 0s, etc.) What do you think? (Yes, with not overused S).

Do both! ;)

About shirt numbers, I suggest classic way, with following ranges of numbers:
Defenders --> 2,3,4,5,6
Midfielders --> 6,7,8,9,10,11
Attackers --> 7,8,9,10,11

Easy!

Hehe not what you told me yesterday about numbers

Just add:
- If real life number is between 2-11, then give it!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 15 September 2016, 18:17:25
I have a bit of a problem with this rule:
If league has more teams to date, relegate more teams from current 15/16 season!
- If league has less teams to date, exclude more teams from bottom of 15/16 league table!
But I struggle a bit with the English language, how would it be if I translate it to Pascal?
IF numberofteams(16/17season) > numberofteams(96/97season) THEN relegate from 15/16season
IF numberofteams(16/17season) < numberofteams(96/97season) THEN exclude from 15/16season

So for example if numberofteams(16/17season) = 10 and numberofteams(96/97season) = 9 I will remove one team from 15/16 season so I have 9 teams in 16/17season.
And if numberofteams(16/17season) = 9 and numberofteams(96/97season) = 10 I will remove one team from 15/16 season so I have 8 teams in 16/17season. That is what I can't get, I thought the point was that every league should have the same amount of teams as it was 96/97?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 September 2016, 18:49:07
Number of teams in SWOS 16/17 in EVERY league = same as in original 96/97.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 15 September 2016, 21:04:36
The long hard slog through El Salvador means I now have the first three leagues safely in Excel....gets harder now though because there really isn't a lot that can be found on teams in the Tercera Division.....
I'm so ready for this league to be done and dusted :D .
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 16 September 2016, 20:37:02
Hi all.

I've finished the English Premier League and England national team! Quite happy with it, ran a few season simulations and seems pretty accurate. I did all stats individually to try for best realism :)

Uploaded as:

team-England-FINAL.080
team-English Premier League-FINAL.008

Looking forward to the full release now.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Paranormaljoe on 16 September 2016, 23:12:35
^^  LOL! That's investigated-like! :) Keep going.
Taiwan league has some info on wikipedia, luckily.


last update for team 38 turkish legue.. now transfer season almost done.. last update for team 38 turkish legue..all errors were checked. and now Turkish Legue is ready . Mr. Habermann i send you mail.. team 38... : )

Good work. Will check it and then upload!

Checked and corrected few things (mostly some players with too much speed).
Uploaded.

TURKISH league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)



false : TEAM : BASAKSEHIR NUMBER 9 EMRE BOLOZOGLU :::right word Emre BELOZOGLU
false : TEAM : ADANASPOR COACH ENGIN IPEKOGLU :::right word KRUNOSLAV JURCIC
false : TEAM : FENERBAHCE  COACH DICK ACROCAT ::: right word DICK ADVOCAAT

Please give me authority . I can not enter the other team datebase . upload date of team.xxx my access denied.. thnx : )
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 17 September 2016, 11:33:13
Hi

I'm having some issues using the skill generator.  i've done one team fine, gone onto doing the next team and when i paste them into the skill generator it's only pasting in the name, player info but no stats (see screenshot)

any ideas?  do i have to close out of the skill gen before starting a new team?  i did the clear/new team button before choosing the new team and pasting in.

cheers

gaz
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 18 September 2016, 10:35:27
Hi all.

I've finished the English Premier League and England national team! Quite happy with it, ran a few season simulations and seems pretty accurate. I did all stats individually to try for best realism :)

Uploaded as:

team-England-FINAL.080
team-English Premier League-FINAL.008

Looking forward to the full release now.

Ok :) Championship, League One and Two are already done :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 18 September 2016, 11:02:02
I hope that PrL, Championship, L1 and L2 as well as the other 4 big Leagues will be looked at by several people. This is the leagues most people want to play.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 18 September 2016, 16:22:31
Hi

I'm having some issues using the skill generator.  i've done one team fine, gone onto doing the next team and when i paste them into the skill generator it's only pasting in the name, player info but no stats (see screenshot)

any ideas?  do i have to close out of the skill gen before starting a new team?  i did the clear/new team button before choosing the new team and pasting in.

cheers

gaz

Just start over from TEAM tab. Works for me. Otherwise check out the video again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEMkeoSotVY
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 September 2016, 20:00:06
Hi

I'm having some issues using the skill generator.  i've done one team fine, gone onto doing the next team and when i paste them into the skill generator it's only pasting in the name, player info but no stats (see screenshot)

any ideas?  do i have to close out of the skill gen before starting a new team?  i did the clear/new team button before choosing the new team and pasting in.

cheers

gaz

Easy solution:
When you update a league, start from 96/97 file in SWOES, and do it team-by-team, overwriting 96/97 teams with new ones (and thus, choose always the next one of the drop down list, and enter the team name in skill generator, too. When team is imported into skill generator, click on "Change team name" if necessary).

Got me?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 18 September 2016, 20:04:54
Brilliant cheers guys. Will crack on with the rest tomorrow
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 18 September 2016, 21:15:16
When you update your team I hope you look at wikipedia as well for recent call-ups.

I can mention Raul Jimenez from Mexico. He has 47 caps and is 25 years old. He is playing in Benfica and was injured during the match against Honduras the 6th of September 2016.

He is valued €8mio = €1.8mio, but he is not in the overview of the Mexican national team on transfermarkt.

I might not matter that much for a team like Bermuda or the El Salvadorian 4th division, but it is pretty important for the Mexican team to have a second striker like this along with Chicharito.

Could be the same for many African and European national teams as well and you wont find these players if you only use the excel-sheet. You have to do a bit more than this.

This was my 15 min of fame  8)

there are 2 players of Cameroun, Alex Song (10 mio) and Joel Matip (18 mio). both in the best age (still not 30) but retired for personal reasons. on transfermarkt.de they are marked as retired. If Raul Jimenez is only injured and not explicitly marked as "Former international" player then he is still in the team.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 18 September 2016, 21:36:23
He was only injuried. Just the match before.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 18 September 2016, 23:43:10
Hey guys,

What about editing a custom team or two with all the names of all the editors? Would be nice to have my name somewhere in the final release ;)

Just an idea.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 19 September 2016, 13:25:33
Hey guys,

What about editing a custom team or two with all the names of all the editors? Would be nice to have my name somewhere in the final release ;)

Just an idea.


Check:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26240.msg135314#msg135314

;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 19 September 2016, 16:18:06
Release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- SERBIA league
- NATIONAL teams: England, Scotland

Status:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0  (Notify me, if you find errors)

Files re-sorted, some deleted, some renamed:
http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/DATA/  (editor access only)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 19 September 2016, 16:36:59
Release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- SERBIA league
- NATIONAL teams: England, Scotland

Status:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0  (Notify me, if you find errors)

Files re-sorted, some deleted, some renamed:
http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/DATA/  (editor access only)

About the North American teams. Are they ready to be released?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 19 September 2016, 16:42:17
^^ thanks!! Corrected!

Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- NATIONAL teams, NORTH AMERICA
- DENMARK league
- ENGLAND, premier league teams
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 19 September 2016, 17:00:03
Hehe thanks Playaveli.

You want me to help with others?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 19 September 2016, 17:12:27
Hehe thanks Playaveli.

You want me to help with others?

I'll get back to you, definitely!
First, we'll wait until the deadline has passed (30th Sep). When team files are missing then, we will hand them out to the emergency team and get it done together! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 19 September 2016, 17:55:59
Just stumbled over something which needs to be unified.

PLEASE GIVE INTERNATIONAL TEAM NAMES!

Examples:
- Kobenhavn = FC COPENHAGEN
- Crvena Zvezda = RED STAR BELGRADE

(Rely on transfermarkt.com version for your team names)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: chrisd on 20 September 2016, 08:23:38
Will there be a Legends teams available in this update or will it be the standard version as used in the original 96/97 game?

The reason I ask is that I probably play with legends teams more than the standard teams. If they're not included I'll just have to jump between the two different versions if it's possible to have two different SWOS folders on the PC at the same time.

Anyway, well done to everyone who's taken part in this update. I can't wait to play it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 20 September 2016, 13:30:30
No legends in here. Check first post / introduction, this is what you get!

Anyway, well done to everyone who's taken part in this update. I can't wait to play it.

Cheers!  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 20 September 2016, 19:02:12
For the record...when the seasons in Australia and New Zealand finish (which is the first week of October), I can upload their updates.
This is due to me needing the final standings to determine which teams will be in this update and which teams will not.
El Salvador will be uploaded very very soon, then I'll finalize the other three leagues that I still have in beta (Faroe Islands, Iceland, San Marino).
Oh yeah, have to do the national teams too :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 20 September 2016, 19:03:50
For the record...when the seasons in Australia and New Zealand finish (which is the first week of October), I can upload their updates.
This is due to me needing the final standings to determine which teams will be in this update and which teams will not.
El Salvador will be uploaded very very soon, then I'll finalize the other three leagues that I still have in beta (Faroe Islands, Iceland, San Marino).
Oh yeah, have to do the national teams too :).

Good progress, Colin! :)

Meanwhile:
NATIONAL teams of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 20 September 2016, 20:18:39
By armandojiminez:

MEXICO league, release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)

By Gorzo, release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
AUSTRIA league
CZECH REP. league
ENGLAND, lower divisions (--> ENGLAND finished entirely, now!!)
JAPAN league
USA MLS
BELARUS league


GREAT PROGRESS, GUYS!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 September 2016, 14:33:05
By Combat444:
REP. IRELAND league, release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)

---

Great work by Gorzo and SaintGav, finished work on ENGLISH leagues.
I have compiled the ENGLISH team.008 file, all divisions ready! Please feel free to download (server) and simulate some tests.
Comments welcome.
(I have already corrected some minor bugs)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 21 September 2016, 19:45:27
Hi,

Just testing the English leagues out.

As a massive Southampton FC fan, I naturally checked them out first and noticed you've made a few changes? Jordy Clasie is now a left winger?! (he's not) and Dusan Tadic a striker?! Nathan Redmond is now in central midfield when he normally plays wide or upfront, and Steve Davis is right wing?!! Not sure why it needed changing?

Also, just wondering why "FC" has been added to the end of Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool and no one else? Probably should be AFC Bournemouth if thats the case.

I get the Rooney change as its anyones guess as to where he will play.

Not trying to cause any fuss, just like to know ;) Can't wait until everythings done :)

Thanks.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 September 2016, 21:06:21
As a massive Southampton FC fan, I naturally checked them out first and noticed you've made a few changes? Jordy Clasie is now a left winger?! (he's not) and Dusan Tadic a striker?! Nathan Redmond is now in central midfield when he normally plays wide or upfront, and Steve Davis is right wing?!! Not sure why it needed changing?

Also, just wondering why "FC" has been added to the end of Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool and no one else? Probably should be AFC Bournemouth if thats the case.

I get the Rooney change as its anyones guess as to where he will play.

Not trying to cause any fuss, just like to know ;) Can't wait until everythings done :)

Thanks.


http://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-southampton/startseite/verein/180
Check latest starting formation!
- Tadic in striker role
- Clasie on LW
- Redmond in central midfield
- Davis on RW

But I don't want to "spoil" your favorite club, sorry mate. Can still be changed, to compromise. Just comment/post again! ;)

The FC and AFC should be added wherever possible (i.e. where the name length is still fine). Will finish this.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 21 September 2016, 21:55:39
Ah ok, I see why you did it. But really they didnt play as wingers, the full-backs provided the width, I was at the game! That site is a bit misleading sometimes. If possible I would change it back but up to you ;)

Thanks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 21 September 2016, 21:57:31
I don't know if it's a good idea to automticlly add FC or AFC to the English clubs. Sunderland AFC vs Everton FC or
Sunderland v Everton? I prefer the 2nd.

Btw, El Salvador - Beta has been uploaded!
A lot could be bettered, especially in the lowest league.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 September 2016, 22:04:47
Ah ok, I see why you did it. But really they didnt play as wingers, the full-backs provided the width, I was at the game! That site is a bit misleading sometimes. If possible I would change it back but up to you ;)

Thanks

Just make a screenshot of the lineup, and send it to my email! ;)
Will work it out.

I don't know if it's a good idea to automticlly add FC or AFC to the English clubs. Sunderland AFC vs Everton FC or
Sunderland v Everton? I prefer the 2nd.

Good point, Colin. For some clubs, it doesn't sound right. Will find a compromise.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 22 September 2016, 12:29:56
I think the FC use is widespread outside England (I remember seeing a lot of its use on e.g. German websites), but not in England.
So I'd probably avoid using it.

I forgot to post the following info on El Salvador.
The leagues should now be named:
- Primera Division
- Segunda Division A
- Segunda Division B
- Tercera Division

Furthermore, after uploading the El Salvador league Beta file (who wants to check it btw? :) ), I have now uploaded the following national teams betas:
- Faroe Islands (name is Faroe Isles in 96/97 but that should be changed)
- Iceland (I put red sleeves on the shirts to mirror/respect the vertical stripe they have in real life)
- San Marino

Next up: transform these countries' respective leagues into status complete :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 23 September 2016, 13:33:03
By Bennn54:
FRENCH leagues (team.013), release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)

Excellent piece of work! Thanks for your E-mail and all the details you have covered.


Updated:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 23 September 2016, 13:46:44
Looking good so far. Norwegian league will be finished this weekend :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 23 September 2016, 16:38:38
Looking good so far.

Yep!
Note: Made some minor corrections, to GERMAN and ENGLISH league file. Both files reuploaded.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 September 2016, 11:42:24
E-Mails received from Betichus (SPAIN, SWISS, BELGIUM, HOLLAND leagues) and Theologistic (WALES league).
Release status only a few steps away! Good work, folks.

Let's do this!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 24 September 2016, 11:45:56
When I have time I'll look at the Dutch league file.
At the moment busy with updating the Faroes.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 24 September 2016, 11:47:27
Carrying on with the Scottish leagues now.  50% complete then final checks before uploading.  Targeting tomorrow to upload
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 24 September 2016, 14:45:41
how do i change the league names?

i need to change div 1, 2, 3 to championship, league 1 and league 2.

cheers

gaz
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 September 2016, 14:47:34
how do i change the league names?

i need to change div 1, 2, 3 to championship, league 1 and league 2.

cheers

gaz

Do not change them, by now.
I'll have a look at that, when all team files are ready.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 24 September 2016, 14:48:29
ok no probs, i'll sort out the teams per division (need to decide which 6 teams to kick out the game) then i'll upload :D

cheers

Gaz
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 September 2016, 15:01:31
ok no probs, i'll sort out the teams per division (need to decide which 6 teams to kick out the game) then i'll upload :D

cheers

Gaz

Example:
http://www.transfermarkt.com/scottish-premiership/tabelle/wettbewerb/SC1?saison_id=2015
Just leave out the relegators of last season, for 16/17 SWOS Scottish Premier.
Also, relegate Hamilton. That makes one free spot for last year's champion of CHAMPIONSHIP (Rangers).

That's a good compromise.

And it means, Hamilton, Kilmarnock and Dundee got their spot in CHAMPIONSHIP.
Therefore, Livingston and Alloa go down and relegate.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/scottish-championship/tabelle/wettbewerb/SC2?saison_id=2015

From there, it's easy to proceed with the bottom divisions, and in the end it's pure logic which 6 teams have to be left out.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 24 September 2016, 15:20:45
ok got it sorted now :D

just editing it and then i'll get it uploaded :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 24 September 2016, 15:56:20
Scotland uploaded - Team 033 :)

cheers

Gaz
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 September 2016, 16:24:11
Scotland uploaded - Team 033 :)

cheers

Gaz

Excellent work!
SCOTTISH leagues: Release status (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 25 September 2016, 09:05:04
African National Teams (team 081) release-able + uploaded. :D

greetings!

bomb
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 25 September 2016, 10:05:51
Give me some national teams to update, Playaveli  :P
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 25 September 2016, 10:18:50
Need any help with any other leagues?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 25 September 2016, 12:34:07
African National Teams (team 081) release-able + uploaded. :D

greetings!

bomb

Great work, bomb! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)




Give me some national teams to update, Playaveli  :P

Need any help with any other leagues?

We'll wait until deadline has passed.
If there are still team files unfinished (except the ones from xflea) we can re-assign them.

Thanks, dudes!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 25 September 2016, 19:38:38
Give me some national teams to update, Playaveli  :P

Need any help with any other leagues?

... I am happy I'm done with that job, it's enough ... ;-)

I am very very excited about the update, can't await it... do we use it on next sensidays? :P
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 25 September 2016, 20:10:57
Don't forget Australia and New Zealand won't be ready until probably the second week of October.
If anyone needs some work...you may try to improve my El Salvador league file :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 25 September 2016, 20:47:31
Hi All!

Status update about the Hungarian league/team:
Teams are 75% ready in excel table. My internal deadline for data collection is the day after tomorrow (aka 09.27.), so 3 days will left to convert it to the appropriate format.

By the way: could somebody show me the way who to convert from CSV to team file?

(After I will finish the job, will let you know some interesting details about the data collection process, but work first, fun after.)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 25 September 2016, 21:27:06
Hi All!

Status update about the Hungarian league/team:
Teams are 75% ready in excel table. My internal deadline for data collection is the day after tomorrow (aka 09.27.), so 3 days will left to convert it to the appropriate format.

By the way: could somebody show me the way who to convert from CSV to team file?

(After I will finish the job, will let you know some interesting details about the data collection process, but work first, fun after.)

Thanks for the update, mate!
Download this: http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/SWOES2.zip

With SWOES2 you can simply import CSV files to overwrite existing teams in SWOS.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 25 September 2016, 21:47:53
All button is grayed out. I may do something not as I should be.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 25 September 2016, 21:50:35
All button is grayed out. I may do something not as I should be.

You have to set the data path of SWOS9697.
(click on "..." to set it)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 25 September 2016, 22:05:21
I couldn't find the team files under AmigaLive Bundle, should I install the old ASWOS, or Total Pack?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 26 September 2016, 07:42:08
Use this:
http://pc.swos.eu
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 26 September 2016, 11:53:12
Thank you, it works like charm.

One more question: Could anybofy show me any working csv that I could use as a template for the appropriate format for SWOES?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 26 September 2016, 13:18:44
Thank you, it works like charm.

One more question: Could anybofy show me any working csv that I could use as a template for the appropriate format for SWOES?

Check attachment!
Also, in the SWOES2 download, you find armando's team/skill generator excel file. Give it a try (if needed).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 26 September 2016, 13:56:59
Thank You, as I have tried the generator on another computer (great stuff!), but maybe I would need some modern Excel here, what I don't have here/right now :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 26 September 2016, 16:56:56
I guess, we will update the non-league teams too, will we?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 26 September 2016, 17:41:14
I guess, we will update the non-league teams too, will we?

Sure thing. There are 5 Non-league teams in Hungarian league.
Fill them up with teams which didn't make a spot in the first 16.

Of the top of my head Hungarian league will consist of:
- Complete 12 teams from last season
- Plus top 4 teams from last season's 2nd division

- Non league = place 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 from last season's 2nd division: http://www.transfermarkt.com/nemzeti-bajnoksag-ii-/tabelle/wettbewerb/UN2?saison_id=2015
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 26 September 2016, 17:58:42
Is there any flexibility which team would be nonleague from under 4th place last year div2?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 26 September 2016, 18:47:48
Is there any flexibility which team would be nonleague from under 4th place last year div2?

That would be very subjective, then. You can do that, but I highly recommend to go for 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, to get this done straight forward & fair.
(I've done the same procedure whenever necessary, with all my league files, too)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 26 September 2016, 18:54:24
Understood!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 26 September 2016, 19:27:37
I'm ready with the CSV converter (from my original excel) hurray. And the first team is successfully converted and loaded to SWOES. Now I have two more questions:
1. Is there any rule about the order of teams? It should be alphabetical?
2. Where should I put my national team? If I wrote it to TEAM.080 it would overwrite others work when I would upload it. What is the right procedure?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 26 September 2016, 19:38:57
1. Order of teams is irrelevant (just don't import a league club into a non-league club!)
2. When you have National team ready, use SWOES 1.3, and click on "File / Export / Export team". Name that file hungary.TEAM, and upload it. Done!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 26 September 2016, 19:40:10
Danke sehr!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 27 September 2016, 17:43:15
Release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)

- Albania NATIONAL team
- Bulgaria NATIONAL team
- Northern Ireland NATIONAL team
- Wales NATIONAL team
(Marin)

- WALES league
(Theologistic)

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Well done!

*minor mistakes already corrected*
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 28 September 2016, 20:43:24
update status looks promising!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: SaintGav on 28 September 2016, 22:03:46
Need to update England national teams manager to Gareth Southgate until/if a permanent replacement is found for Sam Alladyce.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 29 September 2016, 00:52:43
All data about the Hungarian league + Hungary are 100% ready, and checked by Hawkz too. I have two days to load to SWOES, manually add the shirt colors, and it will be finished.

HoOraY!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 29 September 2016, 14:09:41
Need to update England national teams manager to Gareth Southgate until/if a permanent replacement is found for Sam Alladyce.

Yep!

All data about the Hungarian league + Hungary are 100% ready, and checked by Hawkz too. I have two days to load to SWOES, manually add the shirt colors, and it will be finished.

HoOraY!

Great!

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Release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- Iceland, San Marino, Faroe Islands NATIONAL teams!

Can't stop the ROCK!! Thanks!! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 29 September 2016, 15:23:35
Notice from Janko:
SLOVAKIAN league will be on release status by next week's Friday.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 29 September 2016, 17:16:29
I couldn't beleive: all things done, files uploaded! (team.016 and HUNGARY.team)

Please let me know if I made any mistake, or if I should do something further.

Thank you, it was a very nice experience! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 29 September 2016, 17:22:41
National team file HUNGARY.team seems to be corrupted. Please recheck, and/or upload "team.080-HUN", then I can extract it myself.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 29 September 2016, 17:29:03
Checked the league briefly. Please go through the tactic screens again, and sort the positions right. In many teams, players are on very wrong positions. (eg, screenshot: LB plays on RW position, etc...)
Thanks, mate!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 29 September 2016, 17:33:26
I just have started a test game, and realized that same problem.

I added players like you can see on the openning screen when you start a game (eg. RB,D,D,LB,RW etc) but it was a huge mistake :) now I will fix it.

Thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 29 September 2016, 17:38:20
I just have started a test game, and realized that same problem.

I added players like you can see on the openning screen when you start a game (eg. RB,D,D,LB,RW etc) but it was a huge mistake :) now I will fix it.

Thanks!

Okidoke, good work!
The names, values, nationalities and shirts look very good!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 29 September 2016, 18:37:44
Thanks!

I reuploaded the files, whit the correct order, it was not such a long time to reorder as I thought. But I had a very strange bug, that I can not solved. (I have tried every method I could imagine.)

One team, Zalaegerszeg is confused, the keeper not the keeper, he is changed with Kreutz. And I can not rearrange them somehow! I have uploaded the csv, perhaps it can help, but I am no further idea what went wrong :(
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 29 September 2016, 19:56:29
Corrected the bugs! Had to re-do Zalaegerszeg and Hungary national team completely.
Will set to release status tomorrow.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 29 September 2016, 20:07:22
 :-*
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: whiteulver on 29 September 2016, 21:12:31
Greek league and national team uploaded.

Greek league is full updated.

Missing 4 from 7 non-league teams.
Maybe i would finished then till tomorrow
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 29 September 2016, 21:29:45
Missing 4 from 7 non-league teams.
Maybe i would finished then till tomorrow

Yea, finish them and re-upload the file.
Thanks! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 30 September 2016, 15:58:46
Hi Playa!

I have rechecked the updated team.016 file from the server, and some minor and no issue:
- There is a problem with Ijpest's keepers. It should be:
 #1 Szabolcs Balajcza HUN White 110K
 #12 David Banai HUN White 65K as #12
 no Bela Biro

- Some Bosnian players have ALB nationality, is it ok? It is seems intentional.

- It was intentional on my side that MTK's Patrik Poor was RB (playing D postition anyway)

- Same for Honved's side strikers in 433 (Lanzafame and Hollander as Ws)

- And same for Puskas Akademia: 3M with no RW.

- Zalaegerszeg should be 451 with Bobal on the bench, but Jakab playing as M.

- Also Zalaegerszeg: LW should be Balint Kretz HUN White 1 for PVTS, 0 for FCH

- It may not a problem, but the latest team.080 don't have the updated Hungarian team.

Thanks again for your time!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 30 September 2016, 16:04:36
Hi Playa!

I have rechecked the updated team.016 file from the server, and some minor and no issue:
- There is a problem with Ijpest's keepers. It should be:
 #1 Szabolcs Balajcza HUN White 110K
 #12 David Banai HUN White 65K as #12
 no Bela Biro

- Some Bosnian players have ALB nationality, is it ok? It is seems intentional.

- It was intentional on my side that MTK's Patrik Poor was RB (playing D postition anyway)

- Same for Honved's side strikers in 433 (Lanzafame and Hollander as Ws)

- And same for Puskas Akademia: 3M with no RW.

- Zalaegerszeg should be 451 with Bobal on the bench, but Jakab playing as M.

- Also Zalaegerszeg: LW should be Balint Kretz HUN White 1 for PVTS, 0 for FCH

- It may not a problem, but the latest team.080 don't have the updated Hungarian team.

Thanks again for your time!

Uploaded another team.016 version.
Please download it and correct all the things you mentioned, except the ones I explained below! Then re-upload as "team.016-RELEASE".

Do not put RB on D positions! Let the positions correctly and untouched, in defense.
Only change A to RW/LW for the wing attackers in 4-2-4 and 5-2-3. But not in 4-3-3 and 3-4-3.
Thanks!

(the team.080 NATIONS EUROPE isn't finished yet. Some teams are missing! Will upload again when all teams are ready!)

Meanwhile, Release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- BELGIUM league
- SPAIN leagues
- NATIONAL team Greece

Good work, Betichus & whiteulver! Keep going!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 30 September 2016, 19:13:47
BULGARIA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Thanks, Marin! Teams are looking excellent. Great work!

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Current status:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0
(please post, if you see mistakes/errors)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 30 September 2016, 20:04:42
seriously never been so excited for october in my life lol

*takes a look at himself and realises...needs to get out more* :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 30 September 2016, 23:29:09
Playaveli check email :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 30 September 2016, 23:35:56
^^ Saw it! :) Checking teams now.

Meanwhile, SWEDISH league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Good job, Combat444!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 01 October 2016, 00:10:38
Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- Almost every EUROPE NATIONAL team
- ALBANIA league
- POLAND league

^^ massive & great work by Gorzo aka "the-update-machine"! :)

(note: file team.080 for EUROPE NATIONS will be compiled when the few other teams are finished, too)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 01 October 2016, 00:49:15
Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- HOLLAND leagues

(Betichus) They keep rolling in... :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 01 October 2016, 07:31:08
Taiwan should be out and India Super League in.

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 01 October 2016, 09:28:28
Taiwan should be out and India Super League in.



Not sure what you mean? India league is in SWOS, anyway! ;)
http://database.swoes.info/index.php?section=swos&catItem=2&region=ASIA
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 01 October 2016, 13:48:50
Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- SWITZERLAND league

(Betichus)
Thanks, great work, again!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: whiteulver on 01 October 2016, 15:29:08
Greek league with non-leagues teams DONE!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 01 October 2016, 19:26:36
Greek league with non-leagues teams DONE!

Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- GREECE league

Looks excellent. Found one little bug in AEK Athens, corrected it.

And finally...
- TAIWAN league! ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 02 October 2016, 09:36:41
Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- Almost every EUROPE NATIONAL team
- ALBANIA league
- POLAND league

^^ massive & great work by Gorzo aka "the-update-machine"! :)

(note: file team.080 for EUROPE NATIONS will be compiled when the few other teams are finished, too)

Tthanks, I realize that my updates are not perfect but I try to make it happen :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 02 October 2016, 13:16:47
Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- INDIA league

Finally FC Goa filled up their squad! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 02 October 2016, 14:40:14
^^ just realized one league has been forgotten, because it's "invisible" in the game.
team.047 = COSTA RICA league... 12 teams!

andib, you're the perfect cast as an editor for that league! Will you take over? ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 02 October 2016, 14:59:42
^^ just realized one league has been forgotten, because it's "invisible" in the game.
team.047 = COSTA RICE league... 12 teams!

andib, you're the perfect cast as an editor for that league! Will you take over? ;D

Okay, I will do it :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 02 October 2016, 20:37:43
Okay, I will do it :)

You better check CS Herediano when he is done ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 02 October 2016, 20:46:13
Okay, I will do it :)

You better check CS Herediano when he is done ;)

HAHA! I will.... (andib, no superteam allowed!!!) ;D

Meanwhile:
- CROATIA league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)

Finished beta version from Sida79!
LOL, almost the whole league got a new manager in this summer (since beta)!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 03 October 2016, 17:41:19
- NORWAY league: Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
(Good job, djowGer)  8)

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I'll keep an eye on that one, until the game comes out:
http://www.thesackrace.com/managerial-casualties

;)

Latest victims:
- Di Matteo (Aston Villa)
- Guidolin (Swansea)

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If you know other sites like that, for other countries, please post!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Atr3ju on 04 October 2016, 01:06:34
Can i please for all teams update ?
i'll make playable version (carrer work) of SWOS Total Pack 16/17
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 04 October 2016, 13:31:05
Sorry, I had no time this weekend, I try to make the small fixes till Thursday.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 October 2016, 16:33:26
Sorry, I had no time this weekend, I try to make the small fixes till Thursday.

Okidoke!

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NATIONAL teams Europe (team.080) = almost complete! (Italy and Spain added!)
Only Turkey and Portugal are missing. Should be added by end of the week.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 October 2016, 15:29:43
Release status! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- ARGENTINA league

xflea's work, looks perfect! Keep going, mate!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 07 October 2016, 15:32:27
Hi Playa!

I fixed all bugs (and I found one more) in Hungarian league file, and reuploaded as team.016-RELEASE.
I have fixed the national team, and uploaded as team.80-HUN.

Thanks for your patience!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 October 2016, 16:16:02
Hi Playa!

I fixed all bugs (and I found one more) in Hungarian league file, and reuploaded as team.016-RELEASE.
I have fixed the national team, and uploaded as team.80-HUN.

Thanks for your patience!

Thanks! Good job there!
I've done all the other teams missing from EUROPE NATIONS (eg Portugal, Turkey). File is complete now! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 07 October 2016, 16:19:06
I still have to update some teams in the costarician league, but hope to finish tomorrow.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 October 2016, 18:03:37
I still have to update some teams in the costarician league, but hope to finish tomorrow.

Okidoke!

Meanwhile, I rechecked Rock's work on El Salvadorian leagues. This is an amazing piece of research. ;D
Hats off, Colin.

(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 07 October 2016, 23:25:17
Brazilian league uploaded.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: andib on 08 October 2016, 16:15:17
The league of Costa Rica (TEAM.047) is uploaded.

I would have loved to test it before, but I dont know if it is possible, when you cant see it in the game.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 08 October 2016, 17:20:44
Just drop the team file under the data folder and it should show in the game mate
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 11 October 2016, 00:21:07
club teams of Bolivia uploaded
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 11 October 2016, 19:53:22
Chile league uploaded
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 14 October 2016, 00:40:47
South America national teams updated according to latest WC2018 qualifiers.

Many coaches replaced... Some tactics changes.

Heavy changes eg. for Paraguay national team.


RELEASE STATUS
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 October 2016, 11:40:50
^^ will get back to business from tomorrow on, updating status etc... Thanks guys!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 16 October 2016, 12:24:40
All my leagues will be uploaded this week.
Redoing the Faroese, Icelandic and Sammaranese leagues set me back a bit....
The three leagues in New Zealand took me longer than expected.

Only have two leagues left to research in Australia (the other two are finished), then I'll upload the lot!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 16 October 2016, 20:21:21
Hi. If I will have an offline event in November with some friends, do you think the Amiga version of the update will be ready then?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 16 October 2016, 20:57:31
The ETA is still the end of October Combat444. Barring unforeseen circumstances I'd say it will be ready :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Combat444 on 17 October 2016, 10:45:17
Nice!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 17 October 2016, 14:04:06
Release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- BOLIVIA league (xflea)
- BRAZIL league (xflea)
- CHILE league (xflea)
- COSTA RICA league (andib)

- SLOVAKIA league (Janko4)
- RUSSIA league (Marin)

- ALL NATIONAL TEAMS OF THE GAME!!! :)

Excellent work, guys!


It looks like we'd need someone to quickly take over and do the league of PORTUGAL! Anyone interested?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: daddywarhol on 17 October 2016, 22:21:48
May I help with Italy or Portugal?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: mist.one on 17 October 2016, 22:42:04
THANK YOU GUYS EVERYBODY FOR KEEPING SWOS ALIVE!!!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: skaarj on 17 October 2016, 23:23:10
It looks like we'd need someone to quickly take over and do the league of PORTUGAL! Anyone interested?

I can help with Portugal, but I need to know what is the deadline. I don't know if I have enough time to do all the teams.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 October 2016, 07:13:18
It looks like we'd need someone to quickly take over and do the league of PORTUGAL! Anyone interested?

I can help with Portugal, but I need to know what is the deadline. I don't know if I have enough time to do all the teams.

Until Friday? :)

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Release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- UKRAINE league (Marin)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 October 2016, 09:15:08
Leagues yet to be finished: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)

- FAROE ISLANDS, ICELAND, SAN MARINO, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND (Rock and Roll)
- ITALY (lemonheadiv)
- PORTUGAL (n.n.)
- COLUMBIA, ECUADOR, PARAGUAY, PERU, SURINAME, URUGUAY, VENEZUELA (xflea)

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PS: Taking over Portugal myself... starting now!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 October 2016, 16:52:01
Release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- PORTUGAL league
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: daddywarhol on 18 October 2016, 18:15:18
@Playaveli
@lemonheadiv

May I take in charge Italian leagues?
I could do it in ten days...

Many thanks,keep up updating.......
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 October 2016, 18:19:04
@Playaveli
@lemonheadiv

May I take in charge Italian leagues?
I could do it in two weeks...

Many thanks,keep up updating.......

We're almost finished with it. But thanks for your offer.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 October 2016, 22:53:53
Release status: (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)
- ITALIAN leagues


Now, it comes really close:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26241.0

Rock and xflea... BRING IT ON!! :)
Help needed? Shout!!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: skaarj on 19 October 2016, 00:12:50
Until Friday? :)

Not possible for me, but I already saw that Portugual is already finished, so good news  ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 19 October 2016, 06:21:37
@Playa: no need for help mate :)
I have 4 teams left to research in Australia, then just have to play around with the swos editor some more :D.

I'll have everything uploaded Friday at the latest.

UPDATE: All research is finally done :) I have to modify a few player values in AUS / NZL to mirror final league standings,
but it's only transforming my Excel sheets to TEAM.XXX files before I'm done.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 19 October 2016, 12:12:57
Faroe Islands and Iceland have been reuploaded!

@Playa: The league names:

Faroe Islands Division = Effodeildn
Iceland Division = Pepsideild
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 19 October 2016, 13:51:43
Can i please for all teams update ?
i'll make playable version (carrer work) of SWOS Total Pack 16/17

You have to wait for the game's release! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 19 October 2016, 18:30:45
Could I make a Custom Team? It would be a homage to everybody who helped me with the Hungarian teams.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 19 October 2016, 21:27:15
Oh yeah, custom team.....could you put Roker Park from the current Save Disk as my custom team Playa?
Thanks in advance! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 20 October 2016, 09:09:03
San Marino: Uploaded

League name: Campionato Sammarinese
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 20 October 2016, 11:19:06
Thanks, Colin!! Great. European leagues are completed.

Question:
What do you make of TEAM.068 and TEAM.248? :)

Meanwhile I updated the single-team team files (057, 059, 070 --> South Korea, Malaysia, Tanzania).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 20 October 2016, 11:59:10
068 and 248? The original files?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 20 October 2016, 12:04:51
068 and 248? The original files?

Correct! Have you checked them? :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 20 October 2016, 12:20:09
No, never :).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 21 October 2016, 14:31:43
Australia: uploaded

@Playa:
The league names (in order) should be the following:
1st Division -> A-League (this is the professional league, all others are semi-pro / amateur)
South Division -> NPL North (top teams from Western Australia, Queensland and the Northern Territories)
NSW Division -> NPL South (top teams from Southern Australia, Tasmania and Victoria)
Queensland Division -> NPL South-East (top teams from New South Wales, Northern New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory)

For the record: NPL = National Premier League(s)

The current A-League is 10 teams, SWOS has 12.
I expanded the A-League with the 2 finalists from the 2016 NPL Finals (the 8 champions from the NPL regions (Northern Territories aren't part of NPL).

Only New Zealand to go, and that'll probably be tomorrow.
Then again, maybe I'll get lucky :D.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 21 October 2016, 14:36:53
Great work, Rock! :)
I'll wait with renaming any league until all team files are ready, and career mode is working flawlessly.
But great that you have listed them already. Will be easy to look them up here.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 21 October 2016, 14:41:39
OK :)

Only "problems" I forgot to post on Australia have to do with the A-League.

- Edgeworth and Sydney United 58 are way weaker than the 10 proper A-Leaguers. Maybe too weak.
  Maybe they need a bit of extra quality, though they should still finish 11th and 12th.
- Simulations don't reflect last year's finish. The season just started and the transfermarket values don't
  reflect last season. I think a lot has changed since then, so I just used the tm-values and no rebalancing.

I'll leave it up to you if these things need addressing or not.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: alpino on 22 October 2016, 05:08:14

hi mate

I was so bussy.Sorry and thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: alpino on 22 October 2016, 05:09:54
Hi Playa!

I fixed all bugs (and I found one more) in Hungarian league file, and reuploaded as team.016-RELEASE.
I have fixed the national team, and uploaded as team.80-HUN.

Thanks for your patience!

Thanks! Good job there!
I've done all the other teams missing from EUROPE NATIONS (eg Portugal, Turkey). File is complete now! (http://files.swos.eu/tmp/y.png)




for this
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 22 October 2016, 10:28:41
New Zealand: uploaded

@Playa:
The League Names:
Stirling Sports Premiership (or just Premiership if you don't want the sponsor)
North Island
South Island

Pretty interesting thing in New Zealand. There is a winter league = Premiership.
In the summer they play regional leagues.
This is why a lot of players play for two teams, and thus why you'll see a lot of same player names.

After a total of 167 teams updated, I'm finished :).
Really fun project to do, and I've learned a lot about football around the world!
Pity e.g. Greenland don't have a league in SWOS :D.

Thanks Playa, and if you need help.....shout!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 22 October 2016, 11:18:17
New Zealand: uploaded

@Playa:
The League Names:
Stirling Sports Premiership (or just Premiership if you don't want the sponsor)
North Island
South Island

Pretty interesting thing in New Zealand. There is a winter league = Premiership.
In the summer they play regional leagues.
This is why a lot of players play for two teams, and thus why you'll see a lot of same player names.

After a total of 167 teams updated, I'm finished :).
Really fun project to do, and I've learned a lot about football around the world!
Pity e.g. Greenland don't have a league in SWOS :D.

Thanks Playa, and if you need help.....shout!

Thanks, Colin! Great, that you're finished! Awesome work.
167 teams x 16 players = 2672 players!!!  ;D

Now, we're only waiting for xflea's last updates. xflea, if you need help, please let us know.

xfleaColombiaTEAM.049 / Divisions = 1(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)
xfleaEcuadorTEAM.050 / Divisions = 1(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)
xfleaParaguayTEAM.064 / Divisions = 1(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)
xfleaPeruTEAM.065 / Divisions = 1(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)
xfleaSurinameTEAM.066 / Divisions = 1(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)
xfleaUruguayTEAM.071 / Divisions = 2(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)
xfleaVenezuelaTEAM.077 / Divisions = 1(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 27 October 2016, 00:25:12
Colombian league uploaded
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Janko4 on 27 October 2016, 10:47:23
When will be ready even those last leagues, can somebody create custom teams with all people, which cooperate on this project? I think, one team is created, but here I see 29 people, which contributes with something. So can be created 2 more custom teams with all of us? So people will say Name, Haircolor, Nationality, and somebody will create 2 teams. What do you think?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 27 October 2016, 18:10:23
league of Ecuador uploaded
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 27 October 2016, 20:23:18
When will be ready even those last leagues, can somebody create custom teams with all people, which cooperate on this project? I think, one team is created, but here I see 29 people, which contributes with something. So can be created 2 more custom teams with all of us? So people will say Name, Haircolor, Nationality, and somebody will create 2 teams. What do you think?

Will comment on this tomorrow. Thanks for your input, Janko! :)

@ xflea: Great, keep on the flow!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 27 October 2016, 22:04:03
Now, we're only waiting for xflea's last updates. xflea, if you need help, please let us know.
...
xfleaSurinameTEAM.066 / Divisions = 1(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)

--> looks like a challenge for rock :P
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 27 October 2016, 22:44:30
Hehe, if needed I'm here!
I actually had a quick browse through the available info, and it's an Salvadorian challenge :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 28 October 2016, 18:18:50
Paraguay league uploaded

sent for help regarding Suriname league to the Salvadorian specialist :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 28 October 2016, 21:19:47
Hehe...taking over Surinam!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 30 October 2016, 17:19:51
Hehe...taking over Surinam!

Come on, xflea and Rock!!! Get it done! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 31 October 2016, 21:55:00
Peru league uploaded
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: cinek on 31 October 2016, 22:36:59
final countdown 3..2..1..   ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Dwthomson on 01 November 2016, 00:33:35
Any idea when this is going to be released?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 01 November 2016, 11:55:37
Any idea when this is going to be released?

At the moment we're aiming for mid November. Still waiting for 3 leagues to be finished updating.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: joel88 on 01 November 2016, 17:00:37
You lovely, lovely humans. I can't wait for this!

Wish i could contribute, but i have no silks....innit.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Klaus1711 on 02 November 2016, 13:59:23
Good Morning.  Thanks to all for work to updating SWOS. It's possible to publish  preview of single file TEAM ? For example England TEAM ?
Thank you.
Excuse please my bad english...
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 02 November 2016, 14:02:29
Good Morning.  Thanks to all for work to updating SWOS. It's possible to publish  preview of single file TEAM ? For example England TEAM ?
Thank you.
Excuse please my bad english...

Hey, thanks!
We won't release TEAM files for preview. But you can check our Facebook page, there is a photo album with preview screenshots:
https://www.facebook.com/SWOSUnited/
https://www.facebook.com/SWOSUnited/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1028493980561689
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Klaus1711 on 02 November 2016, 14:35:51
Okay. I saw  it  on facebook. Thanks. Wonderful Work.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bennn54 on 02 November 2016, 16:53:43
Hello ! i was looking at the pictures on the facebook page, i saw a little mistake : in Borussia Dortmund, Dembele is black skin, not white skin.  ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 02 November 2016, 17:40:10
Hello ! i was looking at the pictures on the facebook page, i saw a little mistake : in Borussia Dortmund, Dembele is black skin, not white skin.  ;)


Yes, corrected that already. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: atilla on 02 November 2016, 18:32:22
Just have a question about this:
http://prntscr.com/d286b1

Don't know who edited the teams, but if this is Sasa Ilic, he is playing for Partizan!!!

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 02 November 2016, 18:36:42
Just have a question about this:
http://prntscr.com/d286b1

Don't know who edited the teams, but if this is Sasa Ilic, he is playing for Partizan!!!



http://www.transfermarkt.de/stefan-ilic/profil/spieler/270400

;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 03 November 2016, 23:12:31
Uruguay leagues are updated!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 04 November 2016, 00:10:34
there have also been some minor corrections to other leagues (coach replacements mostly - in EVERY league)

Playa - I have uploaded new versions of files into the server:

43 ARGENTINA
45 BOLIVIA
46 BRAZIL
48 CHILE
49 COLOMBIA
50 ECUADOR
64 PARAGUAY
65 PERU
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 04 November 2016, 14:49:47
there have also been some minor corrections to other leagues (coach replacements mostly - in EVERY league)

Playa - I have uploaded new versions of files into the server:

43 ARGENTINA
45 BOLIVIA
46 BRAZIL
48 CHILE
49 COLOMBIA
50 ECUADOR
64 PARAGUAY
65 PERU

Okidoke! Thanks!

ONLY LEAGUES REMAINING:

xflea / RockSurinameTEAM.066 / Divisions = 1(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)
xfleaVenezuelaTEAM.077 / Divisions = 1(http://files.swos.eu/pic/cross.png)(http://files.swos.eu/tmp/n.png)

Come on, lads!!! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 04 November 2016, 15:17:24
Awesome work folks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 04 November 2016, 16:08:14
As I said, Suriname is half done. It'll probably be Sunday when I upload it (as early as possible).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 04 November 2016, 23:03:30
8/10 done. Man it's hard to find stuff on these last teams :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 05 November 2016, 08:39:06
Total countdown now....3,2,1  :D :D :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Bomb on 05 November 2016, 10:13:13
8/10 done. Man it's hard to find stuff on these last teams :D

then just put yourself in on all positions... nobody will ever find out. :D

joking... I knew you are the right man for this. :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 06 November 2016, 00:23:06
Venezuela file is uploaded :)

Plus I could browse one of the funniest club webpages:
http://www.atleticovenezuelacf.com/principal/

ATLETICO VENEZUELAAAAAA LA LA LA
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 06 November 2016, 10:37:05
9/10...

I couldn't resist posting something I read researching a team in Suriname.
(Yeah, I'm plowing through dozens of articles on the internet trying to find players for certain teams...which is why it is taking so long)

In a close match the score was 0-0 after an hour.
One team (team B) seemed to have spent all their energy.
Suddenly...their goalkeeper started to scream out in pain (no-one knows why) so the game was stopped.
10 minutes later (the keeper had miraculously recovered) one of their players burst out in tears on the pitch.
Their opponents (team A) lost the plot and the initiative in the game (team B had rested enough).
Team A's keeper then claimed that a player on team B had thrown a lime with spines at a team A's defender.
The match was stopped but the match official said they had to play on.
The keeper hadn't yet got back to his goal, and team B scored :D.
The resulting "disagreement" resulted in three red cards for team A.
Team B won 2-0 :D :D :D

Gotta love this research :D :D :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 06 November 2016, 14:33:44
THE FINAL LEAGUE HAS JUST BEEN UPLOADED!!!!!!!

I'll leave the honour of changing the last few crosses to ticks in the assignments list to Playaveli :).

I think Suriname is a better name than Surinam, so this should be changed in the update.

League name: SVB Hoofdklasse


So my final total is now 177 teams. Suriname wasn't an easy league to update.
El Salvador had a lot of Facebook pages etc.. Suriname had just about 0 :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 November 2016, 15:41:14
I'll leave the honour of changing the last few crosses to ticks in the assignments list to Playaveli :).

Horrayyy! Awesome, xflea and Rock!! :)
A big thanks again, to everyone involved!

Give me time, until Tuesday/Wednesday, to compile final version for play tests.

Waiting for Redhair's graphics and a new installer for Amiga version, as well as for a new PC menu by Zlatko.

Planned release date:
Sunday, 13th NOVEMBER!


Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: whiteulver on 06 November 2016, 19:27:42
Just made some minor changes to Greek team, but can not upload it to ftp. Not possible anymore?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 06 November 2016, 19:43:54
Just made some minor changes to Greek team, but can not upload it to ftp. Not possible anymore?

Send it on my email! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: whiteulver on 06 November 2016, 19:47:12
It seems ok now.

Just deleted file and re-uploaded.

Thanks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: super_hoops1967 on 06 November 2016, 21:20:03
Get in :)  brilliant work everybody!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: broxopios on 06 November 2016, 23:54:57
Great effort from all you guys.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: alpino on 07 November 2016, 01:02:19
BIG THANKS TO OUR COMMINITY!!!
SWOS BROTHERS ARE ALWAYS TOGETHER  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Theologistic on 07 November 2016, 12:55:26
Fantastic news and amazing work everybody!

I can't wait to see the final version and get stuck into a career!

What a world we live in (the SWOS World of course).

Leo.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: joel88 on 07 November 2016, 13:47:54
The only thing i truly hope for in this update is that i can get another Trial player called Jesus Barnes... what a 5k legend he was (95/96) ;D ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 07 November 2016, 14:25:29
Fantastic effort by all involved. I can't wait to take my mighty Plymouth back to the Championship and beyond!

 ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 07 November 2016, 14:26:15
Fantastic effort by all involved. I can't wait to take my mighty Plymouth back to the Championship and beyond!

 ;D :D ;D
Nath? :o
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: joel88 on 07 November 2016, 15:32:52
Fantastic effort by all involved. I can't wait to take my mighty Plymouth back to the Championship and beyond!

 ;D :D ;D
Nath? :o
Yes young man?

Is there still a plan for Online in this package? Northampton vs Plymouth for the Blue Dragon Cup.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 November 2016, 15:54:57
Fantastic effort by all involved. I can't wait to take my mighty Plymouth back to the Championship and beyond!

 ;D :D ;D
Nath? :o
Yes young man?

Is there still a plan for Online in this package? Northampton vs Plymouth for the Blue Dragon Cup.

Sure you can play it online. Like you can do already (since years!!) on here!
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26385.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 November 2016, 18:11:56
Today's best news:
DATA works fine in career mode. With great help of Rock and xflea, we've got it up and working!
Minor changes had to be made for Northern Ireland and Wales, to maintain 96/97 league format.
No crashes, whatsoever!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 07 November 2016, 18:14:17
Today's best news:
DATA works fine in career mode. With great help of Rock and xflea, we've got it up and working!
Minor changes had to be made for Northern Ireland and Wales, to maintain 96/97 league format.
No crashes, whatsoever!

Congrats! Awesome work everyone!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: pipo on 07 November 2016, 20:57:34
Hi guys!

My first post here after several weeks of following this thread!

Having slogged away at updates of my own in the past, just doing a few little counties like Ireland and Netherlands (I wanted to fill my favourite team Ipswich Town with amazing but cheap Dutch players, and still have a decent side to put out when I became manager of Ireland!) I just wanted to say the work you've done here has been amazing!

SWOS Forever! Or at least longer than the average human!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 November 2016, 21:12:47
Thanks for the kind words, guys.

@Pipo: Welcome! Hope to see you around here more often now. :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: petarku on 08 November 2016, 12:14:06
Hi guys ,

I just sign up to praise the work you did here. 
Once we have final teams update i can test update with on xbox 360 as I have RGH/JTAG version and provide packed version with the updates for the people that have RGH/JTAG xbox..
Best Regards,
Petar
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 09 November 2016, 17:37:52
Hi guys ,

I just sign up to praise the work you did here. 
Once we have final teams update i can test update with on xbox 360 as I have RGH/JTAG version and provide packed version with the updates for the people that have RGH/JTAG xbox..
Best Regards,
Petar

Thanks, dude!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 09 November 2016, 23:22:03
Playaveli:

Trainer of Osasuna have been sacked and replaced by Joaquin Caparros. And  We are waiting for a possible sacking of Betis trainer  :-\. If this happen before Sunday, we can update it.  8)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 10 November 2016, 18:37:43
Playaveli:

Trainer of Osasuna have been sacked and replaced by Joaquin Caparros. And  We are waiting for a possible sacking of Betis trainer  :-\. If this happen before Sunday, we can update it.  8)

Thanks. Updated! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 11 November 2016, 13:29:39
Just checking - the update is for both Amiga and PC, with online for both versions, right?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 11 November 2016, 13:46:49
Just checking - the update is for both Amiga and PC, with online for both versions, right?

Sure, same online modes as for years with 96/97... Just join the chat! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Betichus on 12 November 2016, 09:33:58
Playaveli, finally Betis sacked Gustavo Poyet, and Victor Sanchez are new Betis trainer.  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 12 November 2016, 11:22:32
Playaveli, finally Betis sacked Gustavo Poyet, and Victor Sanchez are new Betis trainer.  :)


haha! :D ok!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: gabie81 on 13 November 2016, 11:08:20
Hello..today is good day?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 November 2016, 12:40:40
Hello..today is good day?

It is... and even a better evening! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: mat on 13 November 2016, 15:52:44
playa send now,i will pay you.how much?i can not waiting ;)thanks for all of you for this work.i am 13 years old again.i waiting for this amazing evening.greeting
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 13 November 2016, 17:39:49
I've checked the croatian file, and some players have obviously wrong nationalities. Maybe others have wrong nationalities as well, but not obviously wrong (name and nationality don't look weird in my mind) :D

Ennio Travaglia from Zagreb is CRO
Matej Jazvic CRO

Marjan Altiparmakovski from Inter Zapresic is MAC
Marko Kolar is CRO


Ante Majstorovic from Lokomotiva is CRO

Adrian Ismajli from Hajduk is Ardian Ismajli. Also, since he is from Kosovo, shouldn't he be YUG, not CUS? :D

Alexander Gorgon from Rijeka is AUT.


Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Seoub on 13 November 2016, 18:03:11
I registered to say thank you ! Really nice work expected !
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 November 2016, 18:05:20
IT'S FINALLY HERE!
http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 13 November 2016, 18:20:58
AWESOME!!!!!

If someone fancies a browse, I have imported the dataset to swosdata.higgis.at (http://swosdata.higgis.at)

Just use the SHARE feature to grab it from my username.

Again - AWESOME work folks! :)

(http://higgis.at/swosdata/Untitled.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Seoub on 13 November 2016, 18:40:00
Something weird when you choose Arsenal for a career, or buy a player from this team, on the PC version. It leads to Wigan.  :P
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: BrummieLad on 13 November 2016, 18:44:28
Thank you very much for all your hard work guys.

I'm playing the Amiga version. Andros Townsend of Crystal Palace is shown as being a GK not a left winger. Selecting Hull takes me to Burton Albion.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Itchy1910 on 13 November 2016, 18:51:22
If some crazy people work together, something like this can happen!

Congratz to all who make this possible! Great Work  :o
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 13 November 2016, 18:55:54
First season, I'm a failure :(

(http://swosdata.higgis.at/s1.png)

Though somehow highly sought after! lol

(http://swosdata.higgis.at/s2.png)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 13 November 2016, 19:00:29
Unfortunately must report that my career (and whole PC) froze on loading new season :(

Playing with dosbox on linux.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Itchy1910 on 13 November 2016, 19:16:22
Dont know, if every little mistake has to be pronounced.

But if so, i saw that Thomas Broich from Brisbane Roar is written "Brioch"  ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 13 November 2016, 21:37:33
I know, I'm a bit too late, but if there will be any further release...
My question is again: that could I make a Custom Team?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 13 November 2016, 21:49:13
Dont know, if every little mistake has to be pronounced.

But if so, i saw that Thomas Broich from Brisbane Roar is written "Brioch"  ;)

Just let him change his name to Brioch in real life...problem solved! :D
(Sorry, my mistake!)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Itchy1910 on 13 November 2016, 21:52:18
Hehe, what about Brioche? Taste Good  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 13 November 2016, 21:56:37
Isn't that called Broiche? :P :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Gorzo on 13 November 2016, 22:05:28
Yeah!!! :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 13 November 2016, 22:40:45
Bloody LOVE it. Congrats to the whole community, esp Playaveli and Redhair.

Quick question - I've noticed a few errors with my beloved Plymouth Argyle (Amiga version). What's the best way for me to sort it out, or is there a "correction" update file in the works?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wasudoku on 13 November 2016, 22:46:35
I love you guysss
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 13 November 2016, 22:52:30
I don't know how to submit mistakes etc. at the moment. I know we're getting them here, via the Facebook page and via Discord (and probably via pm's too).
I'll leave it up to Playaveli to decide how we should gather them etc, but it might be an idea to create a new post in this area of the forum where people can report spelling mistakes etc.. Then if e.g. a V1.01 is in the pipeline it'll be easy to edit it all in.

One thing, really amazing work Philipp has done to coordinate this whole project. Amazing contribution to the community, and it'll really help to keep the game live and kicking until the next update in 20 years time! And a massive thanks to everyone who contributed with teams, graphics, help, advice, corrections and so on and son. Keep the swos alive!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: infognaman76 on 13 November 2016, 23:10:39
Hello everyone

First of all I want to thank those who have made the work of renovation SWOS 2016/2017.

But I want to point out that there are many, many, many mistakes.

I in five minutes I have selected at least four serious errors!

Italian championship:

What happened to the teams and UDINESE PALERMO?

Italian Serie B

What happened to the team PRO VERCELLI ???

The league championship involves 20 teams and not 18, and the series B includes 22 teams and not 21.

In English league if you choose ARSENAL team actually we have to manage WIGAN and if you choose HULL CITY team we have to manage the team BRIGHTON.

In the championship SPANISH magically regains GETAFE team in Serie A and the SPANISH league magically become 22 teams instead of 20.
They are perhaps the two teams that are missing in Italy?  ;D

I will not be at all controversial, but this update seems to be made with the feet!  :-\ ;D

I hope in your update to edit many errors!

P.S: BARCELONA TEAM Suarez 15M ??? Neymar 15M ????
Too high values ​​!!!!!!

15M only for Messi and CR7  ;) ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: infognaman76 on 13 November 2016, 23:19:26
Another record!

Why let unnecessary leagues such as INDIA and not enter emerging league CHINA ????

Many good players have come to the Chinese league!

I just want to be my advice!

A big applause to all who have had the time and patience to do this great work but there are errors too obvious and large it should be absolutely correct!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 13 November 2016, 23:24:57
Easy answers to your remarks:

- The amount of teams per league in 16/17 is the same as it is in 96/97. That means for example we can only put 18 teams in the Serie A as it was in 96/97.
  In Spain this means we have to have 22 teams in the Primera.

- Thanks for reporting the Arsenal-Wigan-Hull-Brighton mistake. We've had a few messages on this topic and we will try to correct it.

- All player values are based on the values on Transfermarkt. Everyone over 85 million gets the maximum value in SWOS, which is 15 million.
This is to settle the whole discussion on player values etc.

- The rules of the update were to keep the same leagues as in 96/97 to show everyone how the world of soccer/football has changed since then. A full update including e.g. the Chinese league instead of the Taiwanese league (India does seem to be increasing in strength etc. at the moment by the way) is something we might do in the future.

- No teams etc. were updated using our feet. Too hard to type that way..... ;)

Thanks for the remarks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 November 2016, 23:25:31
Something weird when you choose Arsenal for a career, or buy a player from this team, on the PC version. It leads to Wigan.  :P

Corrected that! Redownload and try again!

Thank you very much for all your hard work guys.

I'm playing the Amiga version. Andros Townsend of Crystal Palace is shown as being a GK not a left winger. Selecting Hull takes me to Burton Albion.

Selection error fixed.
Sorry for Townsend. Will fix asap! ;)


Why let unnecessary leagues such as INDIA and not enter emerging league CHINA ????

Easy answer: India had its place in original version, so it has his place in this one! ;)


In the championship SPANISH magically regains GETAFE team in Serie A and the SPANISH league magically become 22 teams instead of 20.


Easy answer: League structures and sizes have maintained original, as in 96/97. No magic! ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: cinek on 13 November 2016, 23:33:00
(http://kaes.republika.pl/pcversion.png)

Great job! Thank you guys very much.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: infognaman76 on 13 November 2016, 23:33:53
Friend!

Yours is a policy that I disagree!

I would swos updated with the correct number of teams per league.

I'm sorry but a supporter of PALERMO or UDINESE team would feel offended by this exclusion.

For me, this reasoning does NOT make sense!

As regards the values of the players it seems a folly that the card of suarez (15) is higher than that of Pogba (12M).

I'm sorry but I think they are different points of view!

Of course I'll do it myself my corrections and if anyone is interested I will be happy to share them.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 November 2016, 23:36:14
You are a bit late. The rules were set half a year ago! Check: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26242.0
Nobody forces you to play this game, but you are welcome to edit your own version!

Good luck!   8)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 13 November 2016, 23:38:33
Exactly, we'll have to agree to disagree :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: infognaman76 on 13 November 2016, 23:42:56
My friend does not want to be a critique of your work.

I only said that from my point of view it makes no sense to update only the names and values of players based on the 96/97 version of the championships.

Genuinely a thing I would never come up with!

It might as well play the 96/97 version with my dear AMIGA500.

I thought it was an update as those who did Synchronated.

My mistake!

Sorry for the inconvenience!

Respect!  ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 November 2016, 23:44:30
Sure, I didn't take it as critics. Everybody is entitled to his opinion (on here, at least!). :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: infognaman76 on 13 November 2016, 23:49:57
I will do my update will leave anyway with a good base.

Sorry but I'm Italian and I can not see disappearing historic club like UDINESE PALERMO and which also were present in the mythical 96/97 version.

Thanks anyway for the good work ....

I'll keep an eye on your forum and if someone wants to have an alternative version of your I will be happy to share it.

Good night to all!  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 November 2016, 23:51:39
One thing, really amazing work Philipp has done to coordinate this whole project. Amazing contribution to the community, and it'll really help to keep the game live and kicking until the next update in 20 years time! And a massive thanks to everyone who contributed with teams, graphics, help, advice, corrections and so on and son. Keep the swos alive!

Thanks, Colin! Has been a pleasure to cooperate, communicate and get this done together!
Everybody from the editor-team has done a great job!

Sorry but I'm Italian and I can not see disappearing historic club like UDINESE PALERMO and which also were present in the mythical 96/97 version.

You might want to check Serie B! They have not disappeared. :)
If you want them in Serie A, choose them as a career team and get promoted!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Fincad on 14 November 2016, 06:59:23
Hello!
Awesome work everyone who contributed on this project, congratulations to all of you.

Hopefully this will lure some new players to this amazing game.

Br Fincad

PS. If youre doing an update, i will help with the team names of finnish league. At the moment they are bit out of focus, check the attachment
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 14 November 2016, 08:18:37
Any easy way to inject the Amiga hdf with raw TEAM.XXX files?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Janko4 on 14 November 2016, 09:44:01
It has no sense to discuss about rules how to make teams and values (like infognaman76 does), this happened already in last months. He should read all almost 50 pages of this forum and he would understand. But all errors - mispelled names, wrong nationalities etc. - should be carefully corrected. We should have system of notification about founded errors - maybe here? Maybe Playaveli will fix all errors, or we will help too? And in some days/weeks later we should have here new fixed version without errors.  ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 14 November 2016, 09:54:30
I agree with Janko4.

I'd say we open this topic (or a new topic) for reporting all bugs / errors til the end of the year.

Then make a final patch release.

You have to remember what Playaveli wrote in the introduction to this update - it is meant to capture a moment in the history of football...

There will always be something to correct - managers get fired everyday :)

And we need to finish this business before winter transfer window starts - otherwise we'll never finish.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: joel88 on 14 November 2016, 10:18:50
Just wanted to thank everyone for all the hard work. The release is brilliant. Well done!!

Struggled to get a decent resolution to work on my main TV, and my Xbox 360 wireless controller wasn't recognised for some reason.
Just downloaded the LHA file instead and imported into an existing/working config i had of UAE - boom. Happy as Larry.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 14 November 2016, 11:24:16
I have opened an error topic for all bug reports etc as requested.
Please post all mistakes in that topic!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 14 November 2016, 11:40:24
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26400.0

;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Baloo79 on 14 November 2016, 12:07:35
Hello.
s anyone able to write where we can download the latest update SWOS 16/17

Thanks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 November 2016, 13:12:04
Hello.
s anyone able to write where we can download the latest update SWOS 16/17

Thanks

http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Baloo79 on 14 November 2016, 13:42:01
 Thank you
 With the new squads this game looks beautifully.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 November 2016, 14:21:41
Any easy way to inject the Amiga hdf with raw TEAM.XXX files?

You need adf-view installed (google it).
Then you need rnc propack to shrink filesize.
Then open hdf file and copy-paste TEAM.XXX.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 14 November 2016, 14:37:31
You need adf-view installed...

Oh yeah, thanks. That thing is so seamless I forgot I already have it installed on my windows pc! :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: jruiz on 14 November 2016, 15:25:29
Thanks guys ;) You are the best. Great work!!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Fillo on 14 November 2016, 19:40:15
It's been a while since I came here from the last time.. but I have to say this is gonna make me reinstall the game once again :D

Really mind-blowing work you did guys, way to go!  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 November 2016, 20:25:23
Just wanted to thank everyone for all the hard work. The release is brilliant. Well done!!

It's been a while since I came here from the last time.. but I have to say this is gonna make me reinstall the game once again :D

Really mind-blowing work you did guys, way to go!  :)



Thanks guys ;) You are the best. Great work!!!

Thank you
 With the new squads this game looks beautifully.



Thanks, guys!!  :) We're very pleased to hear that!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: dimetrodon on 14 November 2016, 20:47:36
No chance of edited team? :) :)

Anyway, it is great as hell! I mean heaven. :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 15 November 2016, 15:12:06
I completely agree with the "moment in time" philosophy. I hope, however, that we'll still be allowed to correct any errors we might find in the finished file?

P. S. I just coached the '96 Leyton Orient to a victory against '96 Man Utd. Suckaz!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 November 2016, 15:43:58
I completely agree with the "moment in time" philosophy. I hope, however, that we'll still be allowed to correct any errors we might find in the finished file?

Sure, Sida79:
http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26400.0

;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 15 November 2016, 16:15:31
Great! Even though I meant in the finished file, after its official release :)

Should I paste the errors I've found in cro league to that topic or has that been dealt with already?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Rock and Roll on 15 November 2016, 16:23:56
Please post all errors you find in that topic. Thanks!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wiklund87 on 15 November 2016, 16:46:40
Is it possible to make a zip-file that works like the old updates?
With a Team folder and an edited sws.exe ?

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 November 2016, 16:49:08
Is it possible to make a zip-file that works like the old updates?
With a Team folder and an edited sws.exe ?

There is a button for ZIP-FILE (PC DOS Version):
http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wiklund87 on 15 November 2016, 16:59:24
I've already tried out that version. Great work, but I want to use it like I always have.

The old types of updates (like Synchronated) had a zip-file with 3-4 mb that included the Team-folder + the modified sws.exe file.
That way I can start the game manually with dosbox, exit to dosbox and use the money maker.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 November 2016, 17:00:55
When you have that already, the just copy DATA folder and swsengpp.exe! That's it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: BaggioJuve82 on 15 November 2016, 17:06:46
Registered an account specifically to give thanks for the incredible effort you guys have put in. Have been a long time lurker and SWOS fan since the game was originally released. Haven't been able to play much of late, but this special edition is just too good to pass up.

You guys did a grand job and I salute you all!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 15 November 2016, 17:11:50
Registered an account specifically to give thanks for the incredible effort you guys have put in. Have been a long time lurker and SWOS fan since the game was originally released. Haven't been able to play much of late, but this special edition is just too good to pass up.

You guys did a grand job and I salute you all!

Thanks, mate! Glad to hear that. Enjoy the game and see you online! :) Salute!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wiklund87 on 15 November 2016, 18:54:32
When you have that already, the just copy DATA folder and swsengpp.exe! That's it.
It crashes on second season... I get the animation and then a black screen..
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Cool_amigaN on 16 November 2016, 10:14:09
The Greek championship has 2 extra teams than the real one (18 teams instead of 16). The teams are (1) ARIS and (2) APOLLON SMYRNIS. Is there a particular reason for this fact?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 16 November 2016, 11:42:17
See first post, basic rules for editing.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: stu on 16 November 2016, 14:55:11
I have not been on the forum for some time,
I have the total pack for pc, i have downloaded the 16 / 17 update, i'm a bit of a novice at these things, how do i get the update to work ?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 November 2016, 15:12:58
I have not been on the forum for some time,
I have the total pack for pc, i have downloaded the 16 / 17 update, i'm a bit of a novice at these things, how do i get the update to work ?
Any advice would be appreciated.

Amiga or PC?
You don't need the Total Pack. Just play it standalone.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: agrezt on 16 November 2016, 15:43:32
Hi! Thanks for your great job! Unfortunately, I also have problem with Total Pack and exchanging files. I copied DATA folder from SWOS1617 to TEAM_SETS in Totalpack. I also replaced sws.exe with swsengpp.exe. I have got new teams, but when I want to choose for example Italian or Spanish League in Present Competition or Carrer, the game crashes. Any idea how to fix it? A add that some of leagues work correctly.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 November 2016, 16:15:58
Please play the game standalone, not in Total Pack.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: stu on 16 November 2016, 16:56:28
I have  a PC, running windows 8.1, but how do i play the standalone game, or set it up,
As i have only ever used total pack 5.1, and the original disc when the game first came out.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 16 November 2016, 17:20:52
I have  a PC, running windows 8.1, but how do i play the standalone game, or set it up,
As i have only ever used total pack 5.1, and the original disc when the game first came out.


Just double click file "START GAME.bat"  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: stu on 16 November 2016, 17:24:01
I have worked out how to get the standalone game going, but when i go to the game menu,
and set the controls to joystick only, it keeps saying joystick error,
how do i fix this issue thanks for any replies.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: stu on 16 November 2016, 17:32:49
Thanks for the advice, i have fixed the joystick issue, thanks, to everyone who keeps this great game alive, as i said, i have been playing it on and off since it first came out, all my friends are playing fifa 17, but i still prefer this,
you just can't beat it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: higgipoker on 17 November 2016, 12:49:04
Hey, we made some media, cool! :)

http://www.retrocollect.com/News/fans-favourite-sensible-world-of-soccer-gets-1617-data-update-for-commodore-amiga-a-pc.html (http://www.retrocollect.com/News/fans-favourite-sensible-world-of-soccer-gets-1617-data-update-for-commodore-amiga-a-pc.html)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 20 November 2016, 16:43:40
In case somebody has missed it:

DOWNLOAD: http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17


+++ PATCH DATE: DECEMBER 11th, 2016 +++
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Eduardo on 21 November 2016, 20:26:19
Very Great Job
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: gavro on 25 November 2016, 08:32:50
Excellent job!!!!!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: unreal8 on 25 November 2016, 19:37:03
Hello to all, it's really a grat job, i have a question, i ve download lha for amiga, i have amiga 1200 + gotek and HDD, how i can play the 16/17 on real amiga? Than you to all
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: zigeuner on 11 December 2016, 14:52:19
Ready for the final version, bring it on girls  8)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wasudoku on 11 December 2016, 15:25:00
yeahhh :) :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wasudoku on 11 December 2016, 15:25:14
We are waiting for it
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 11 December 2016, 17:00:12
We are waiting for it

At your service:
http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/

;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: zigeuner on 11 December 2016, 18:23:03
Hehe nice  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: wasudoku on 12 December 2016, 00:28:08
We are waiting for it

At your service:
http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/

;)

Thank you very much
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: zigeuner on 12 December 2016, 11:35:08
Mr. Poland truly did a marvelous job with the South American leagues

I love him
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: W.Carling on 12 December 2016, 22:20:51
Just to note i prefer the total pack i have tried and tested the career mode with the updated teams over 5 seasons in the total pack version and all is well... so i'm happy
I have noticed when playing the game in Swos 2016/17 files that the game is sluggish and slow response from controller compared to the the total pack version...not sure why?
also when in career mode the season start is still 1996/97?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 December 2016, 07:36:49
also when in career mode the season start is still 1996/97?

Play the normal version without Total Pack, season start = 2016/17!
(Must be a Total Pack Problem, using wrong exe)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: xflea on 13 December 2016, 13:17:33
zigeuner, thanks for your kind words :)

everyone here who contributed to the update did a great job

your help with verifying South America is much appreciated!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: W.Carling on 13 December 2016, 16:31:13
great got the game but how do you get it full screen i have pressed alt and enter but it puts it to full screen but the picture is stiill
small???
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 December 2016, 16:44:25
great got the game but how do you get it full screen i have pressed alt and enter but it puts it to full screen but the picture is stiill
small???

Start game with file "Start game.bat"! Then try again!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: W.Carling on 13 December 2016, 17:07:32
ok managed to sort screen size  ;D  but windows cant find game.bat???
now to the career section i have downloaded both exe and zip file of the game and played both and still 96/97 in career mode???
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 December 2016, 17:48:01
Just extract the exe... then simply start game by double click on "START GAME.bat"! That's it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: W.Carling on 13 December 2016, 20:19:28
Done all that and tried both exe and zip files i must be missing something
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 13 December 2016, 20:24:43
Ah, you mean the management record... well, that cannot be changed!
Only working in main career window, see attached!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: W.Carling on 13 December 2016, 20:29:36
i see thank god for that i thought i was going crazy  ;D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 December 2016, 11:10:56
With support from Twiggy@EAB there'll be another version of SWOS 16/17:  CD32!  :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sida79 on 18 December 2016, 16:01:54
CD what now? :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 18 December 2016, 19:58:03
CD what now? :)

http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/
Added link to CD32 for Amiga!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 22 December 2016, 16:33:37
TOP 12 teams, by skill points (0-7 range):

TEAM 16/17SKILLSTEAM 96/97SKILLS
REAL MADRID607ITALY555
BARCELONA604MILAN554
SPAIN597BARCELONA524
BAYERN MUNICH586GERMANY521
GERMANY578ENGLAND517
FRANCE575BRAZIL516
ARGENTINA570REAL MADRID513
MAN CITY570NEWCASTLE503
ARSENAL560JUVENTUS501
MAN UNITED559MAN UNITED497
CHELSEA554HOLLAND496
BRAZIL554LIVERPOOL481
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Ezio on 24 December 2016, 13:32:50
Hello to all, it's really a grat job, i have a question, i ve download lha for amiga, i have amiga 1200 + gotek and HDD, how i can play the 16/17 on real amiga? Than you to all
I'm have a similar situation as this chap. I've been playing the original SWOS, off disk, for years and while I have an internal CF HDD for the A1200 now I don't really know how to get the best from it and I don't know how to get the file I've downloaded from here onto it in order to play this brand new version.

I promise I've searched the forums for helpful hints and tips (in fact it's how I discovered the post above), but I'm still baffled as I don't know the first thing about it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 25 December 2016, 11:32:43
Amiga needs 2 MB Fastram. Is that the case with yours?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Ezio on 25 December 2016, 11:44:35
Amiga needs 2 MB Fastram. Is that the case with yours?
Yep - 8Mb expansion as well as the CF HDD!

I just don't know how to get the file from this PC to the A1200. I've read a few guides but they have a fairly high level of assumed knowledge about Amiga that I don't have (I've just been playing games on it for 25 years) - and really I could do with it spelling out so plainly that a patient dog could achieve it.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: djowger on 25 December 2016, 20:07:40
Using the PCMCIA port on the amiga does the trick. Im using EasyADF kit from amigakit.com: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=440

You will also need a Compact Flash Card besides the adaptor. You should not go over 512 mb as far as I recall. I once bought a 2 gb which did not work. Now I have a 128 mb that works perfect! Look for these older cards on ebay or ask at your nearest electronics/photographer store if they have some old cards in their storage. Thats how i got mine quite cheap.
Compact Flash card: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SANDISK-ULTRA-Compact-Flash-Memory-Card-256MB-/172452972749?hash=item2826ff88cd:g:C7AAAOSw-0xYU-Ni

You will also benefit from using a proper copy program such as directory opus or xlent pro. Both can be downloaded on the internet.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Scotcrates on 28 December 2016, 23:00:24
ok managed to sort screen size  ;D  but windows cant find game.bat???
now to the career section i have downloaded both exe and zip file of the game and played both and still 96/97 in career mode???

Thanks so much everyone who helps keep this alive and up to date :)

I have this same screen size issue - can you post how you solved it? [PC, win7] Alt+Enter expands the screen to full size (1366x768) but the actual playing screen within the black fullscreen is still only about 2/3 of the screen. With Total Pack this stretched to fill most of the screen. OK it was a little fuzzy as a result but I prefer it. The dosbox version seems to be the same so presumably this is just a configuration setting, but I've tried (dicked about with in a clueless fashion) the obvious stuff in ipx.conf (window resolution etc.) and I can't make it work. A fix would be much appreciated if anyone can post one.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: pasha on 29 December 2016, 23:10:11
@dsri, You can use "dosbox daum"( google it). After opening dosbox daum you must choose quick launch from menu. Then you can select swsengpp.exe from game folder. It ll start to load game. Now you can choose any video options from menu without using .conf files. I recommend you  that aspect correction-double buffering-vysnc host options must be selected.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: W.Carling on 30 December 2016, 01:37:51
i had the same issue I opened up the dosbox config file and changed it now I have full screen in widescreen format
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Scotcrates on 31 December 2016, 00:54:21
i had the same issue I opened up the dosbox config file and changed it now I have full screen in widescreen format

It'd be great to know what file you changed and how :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 31 December 2016, 13:22:22
ipx.conf (it's in folder DOSBOX)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Scotcrates on 01 January 2017, 17:30:37
ipx.conf (it's in folder DOSBOX)

Thanks. I've tried fiddling with that and not had any success. I set the following variables to match the settings in run_game.conf in Total Pack v1.5, but it makes no difference, I still get the small SWOS screen inside dosbox fullscreen.

fullscreen=true
fulldouble=false
fullresolution=0x0
windowresolution=1024x768

(and scaling is set to normal3x)

Looking at Total Pack there are two display options affecting this:
* Size pulldown (set to fullscreen)
* Widescreen checkbox (checked - this does a horizontal stretch on the SWOS window)

I think these are doing something that isn't in the ipx.conf file (or run_game.conf in Total Pack), and I can't find any other config file that looks relevant, so the question is what and is it something that can be replicated in ipx.conf?

Of course I can just switch my screen resolution to 800x600 or similar, but if there's a solution (and there presumably is because Total Pack has one) then there must be lots of other people with the same problem who would like to enjoy SWOS 16/17 as near to full screen as possible.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 02 January 2017, 16:00:19
Hm, you can try to duplicate the Total Pack one, rename it to ipx.conf and replace the old one (backup first!!).
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Atr3ju on 06 January 2017, 16:14:08
SWOS 2017 Total Pack

https://megadysk.pl/f/sensible-world-of-soccer-total-pack-2017.rar

Career working 100 % only if you use this update as "ORIGINAL - 1997" on bookmark "Team DB" with SWOS++ Patch ON

(http://funkyimg.com/i/2n5eZ.jpg)

If anyone will not work, please write here what is the problem.

I test it twice start a new career with random team.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Scotcrates on 08 January 2017, 17:20:01
Hm, you can try to duplicate the Total Pack one, rename it to ipx.conf and replace the old one (backup first!!).

I tried that too but it doesn't work :(
Although it's easy enough to set the ipx flag to true (it's false in Total Pack) everything goes wrong somewhere later and the game doesn't start.

I still think the screen stretch and widescreen resize is something Total Pack does that isn't in the new 16/17 version. I just have no idea what :(
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Atr3ju on 23 February 2017, 21:58:08
SWOS 2017 Total Pack new link

megadysk.pl is down

http://www47.zippyshare.com/v/SQy5s48A/file.html
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 25 February 2017, 13:13:03
SWOS 2017 Total Pack new link

megadysk.pl is down

http://www47.zippyshare.com/v/SQy5s48A/file.html

Zippyshare is full of ads. Better use google drive or similar!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sylver84 on 28 February 2017, 10:19:54
SWOS 2017 Total Pack new link

megadysk.pl is down

http://www47.zippyshare.com/v/SQy5s48A/file.html

Zippyshare is full of ads. Better use google drive or similar!

Please do, download button gives me the creeps with that 3rd party software i have to install first
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: cinek on 28 February 2017, 13:26:16
SWOS 2017 Total Pack new link

megadysk.pl is down

http://www47.zippyshare.com/v/SQy5s48A/file.html

Zippyshare is full of ads. Better use google drive or similar!
or use adblock or ublock, download mirror http://www.mediafire.com/file/k56q3s9kuxt61or/Sensible+World+of+Soccer+Total+Pack+2016-2017.rar
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Sylver84 on 04 March 2017, 16:05:57
SWOS 2017 Total Pack new link

megadysk.pl is down

http://www47.zippyshare.com/v/SQy5s48A/file.html

Zippyshare is full of ads. Better use google drive or similar!
or use adblock or ublock, download mirror http://www.mediafire.com/file/k56q3s9kuxt61or/Sensible+World+of+Soccer+Total+Pack+2016-2017.rar

Thnx everything works exept for chairman scenes, alll blurry even on GPU use only.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: broxopios on 07 March 2017, 16:05:01
Hello everyone and thanks for this great patch.

I play the amiga version on pc and i'm wondering if i can play the same version on raspberry pi3 with retropie.

Thank you.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Remy80 on 10 March 2017, 19:58:40
Hello SWOS friends,

first of all a big compliment to your great efforts to update this game. Player data is with actual names very very cool. The only thing, sorry if also mentioned in 50 pages here, is what could be improved for a most realistic soccer world would be to have actual player values. I have seen already tables of downsizing of player values to old SWOS ranges and one solution of 'Kiefer' which I don't know if it also works with this. But in my opinion motivation would increase a lot if values e.g. of Messi are not 15 Mio but 100 Mio. Is there a Patch already available? I heard costs must be adapted too for gameplay balance. Thanks for your feedback.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 11 March 2017, 08:29:18
Hello SWOS friends,

first of all a big compliment to your great efforts to update this game. Player data is with actual names very very cool. The only thing, sorry if also mentioned in 50 pages here, is what could be improved for a most realistic soccer world would be to have actual player values. I have seen already tables of downsizing of player values to old SWOS ranges and one solution of 'Kiefer' which I don't know if it also works with this. But in my opinion motivation would increase a lot if values e.g. of Messi are not 15 Mio but 100 Mio. Is there a Patch already available? I heard costs must be adapted too for gameplay balance. Thanks for your feedback.

Thanks for your compliments. Much appreciated.

Sorry, I have to turn you down. There are no plans to change SWOS prices range to match the lunacy of today's football business. 100 Million is a bad joke, and a slap in the face of everyone who likes the sport. Nothing 'sensible'... also, I cannot see at all how this would increase motivation to play the game. Quite the opposite.
So, if you really want it, do it yourself!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Remy80 on 11 March 2017, 15:37:08
Thanks Playaveli. You are right. It is not really important to have this. One last question. Are there any plans to improve the career modus?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: broxopios on 13 March 2017, 21:28:12
Hello.

Is there any chance to have the new update in adf files?

Edit: I wanted adf files to play the game on retropie, but I managed to make it play with other process that I describe it here http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=26468.0
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: batalheiro on 24 March 2017, 13:28:55
SWOS 2017 Total Pack

https://megadysk.pl/f/sensible-world-of-soccer-total-pack-2017.rar

Career working 100 % only if you use this update as "ORIGINAL - 1997" on bookmark "Team DB" with SWOS++ Patch ON

(http://funkyimg.com/i/2n5eZ.jpg)

If anyone will not work, please write here what is the problem.

I test it twice start a new career with random team.

Hi there Atr3ju,

I've donwloaded the total pack but the teams are from the 96/97 :-(

I ticked the swos++patch so what could I be doing wrong?

Any help would be much appreciated!

'best,
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 24 March 2017, 13:59:00
Use the standalone version!
http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: batalheiro on 25 March 2017, 10:57:59
Use the standalone version!
http://files.swos.eu/swos16-17/

Hi Playavelli,

The problem is, I miss the alternative tactics in the standalone version :-(

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 25 March 2017, 11:02:57
The alternative tactics won't work with 16/17, because the exe file of it doesn't include them! Sorry!
But if you play the standalone version, go to EDIT TACTICS --> IMPORT --> LOAD...  and try some from real experts!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: batalheiro on 25 March 2017, 11:21:14
The alternative tactics won't work with 16/17, because the exe file of it doesn't include them! Sorry!
But if you play the standalone version, go to EDIT TACTICS --> IMPORT --> LOAD...  and try some from real experts!

Ah, I see. Thank you for the quick reply :-)

Thanks for the tip too.

Congratulations on everyone involved with SWOS 2016/17, it's really impressive! Time to go start a career with Benfica and try to buy back Renato Sanches :D
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 13 April 2017, 23:15:58
Quick question - I've noticed that a .hdf file is stored within the install directory for Amiga SWOS 2016/17, but are you guys also able to supply a pair of .adf files for the 2 discs please? It would be so good to have them as I'm trying to get this to run on an Android device. I'm struggling to get .hdf files to work well.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 14 April 2017, 12:26:38
Quick question - I've noticed that a .hdf file is stored within the install directory for Amiga SWOS 2016/17, but are you guys also able to supply a pair of .adf files for the 2 discs please?

That's impossible due to the file size.
Not sure how the guys have done it back then, but even with RNC propack the files aren't small enough to squeeze them into 2 adf discs. Sorry.
It would work if a team file is left out which then again would make career mode crash instantly.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 19 April 2017, 22:15:44
Oh okay, no worries. Thanks Playa :)

Do you think it would be worth doing a 2017/18 update too? I feel like the 2016 update has really galvanised the community and kept the spirit of SWOS alive across the globe. It would be really great to see that continue with a new update for next season and beyond :)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Cofresi on 21 April 2017, 21:09:27
Well I just gave it a try. Just compared playing offline with FS-UAE native, and is it just me or is FS-UAE native just a bit more smooth? To me it looks like when I use the new download from http://sensiblesoccer.de/faq/ that it frameskips a bit. Does anyone else notice this?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 23 April 2017, 15:02:46
Does anyone else notice this?

We had no reports like this before!
Are FPS on 50?
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 23 April 2017, 17:08:59
Do you think it would be worth doing a 2017/18 update too? I feel like the 2016 update has really galvanised the community and kept the spirit of SWOS alive across the globe. It would be really great to see that continue with a new update for next season and beyond :)

No plans yet... and not sure if we could pull it of, again!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: MystifiedGum on 28 April 2017, 16:09:37
There is a player named Gary Lavery in Northern Ireland, Linfield. The player is undervalued at only 130K in the game though this database shows 300K:

http://swos.gazchap.com/search.php?by=value&ord=asc

I don't know if it's intentional or there's more players like him.
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: steviebwoy78 on 30 April 2017, 17:22:48
There is a player named Gary Lavery in Northern Ireland, Linfield. The player is undervalued at only 130K in the game though this database shows 300K:

http://swos.gazchap.com/search.php?by=value&ord=asc

I don't know if it's intentional or there's more players like him.

Sshhhhhh, he can be our little secret ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Blame on 07 May 2017, 19:40:38
Do you think it would be worth doing a 2017/18 update too? I feel like the 2016 update has really galvanised the community and kept the spirit of SWOS alive across the globe. It would be really great to see that continue with a new update for next season and beyond :)

No plans yet... and not sure if we could pull it of, again!


Congratulations to everyone involved in this update, it's a really good and unexpected twist of faith on SWOS, and playing it now, updated, feels the same as 20 years ago, and this is not only nostalgia, it's because this is the BEST GAME EVER!!!!

We cannot let this movement die, i offer all my help for future seasons dabatabe updates.

Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 07 May 2017, 21:37:25
Congratulations to everyone involved in this update, it's a really good and unexpected twist of faith on SWOS, and playing it now, updated, feels the same as 20 years ago, and this is not only nostalgia, it's because this is the BEST GAME EVER!!!!

We cannot let this movement die, i offer all my help for future seasons dabatabe updates.

On behalf of the team, or rather our little updating army, thanks for the compliments. :) Great to hear from more and more people who are happy with what we've done.

At least, I'll think about it... (making a new one!)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Hellraiser on 11 May 2017, 12:44:38
Dont even think of not making a new update!!!I offer also my services in helping out!
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: daddywarhol on 04 June 2017, 18:05:38
I'll offer my help too to realize the update for the 2017\18 season...

Many thanks to all who worked for the 2016\17 update...

Will win the second Europe League with Celta Vigo.....
 :D ;D :D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: kashinho on 21 June 2017, 11:36:58
Hi All!
I got troubles with burning CD32 iso. It doesn't work in my Amiga :( How should I burn it? I used CDBurnerXP with disc at once option
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Jonpt on 10 July 2017, 01:29:22
Hi all

is it possible to have this game with the 16/17 data in 2 adf to run at the original amiga computer?

is this available? i can't find it. Only see the lha file but i don't know how to make the 2 disks from this.

Many Thanks
Title: Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
Post by: Playaveli on 10 July 2017, 14:58:04
Hi all

is it possible to have this game with the 16/17 data in 2 adf to run at the original amiga computer?

is this available? i can't find it. Only see the lha file but i don't know how to make the 2 disks from this.

Many Thanks

It's possible, but then you have to sacrifice the career mode, because some leagues have to be deleted!

@djowGer: Could you post your adfs?