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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #195 on: 22 May 2016, 21:55:56 »
Is it important to give players their real life shirt numbers, this could be tricky as a lot of players have obsure shirt numbers nowadays!?

As I said, only if they have a shirt number between 1 - 11, anyway. ;)

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #196 on: 22 May 2016, 21:57:08 »
Ok thanks for your help Playa :)

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #197 on: 23 May 2016, 13:41:28 »
Hello, I would like to propose a little help, I am developing an application in Excel that returns me some of the data you need the TEAM.XXX files, some does not work because they have no excel or earlier to 2010. I propose to all interested Send me the name of the team and league or country and I give as much information like the photo, then the editor do you use what you want.

The updates will be fast
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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #198 on: 23 May 2016, 19:09:58 »
Hi guys, quick questions etc:

Any news on what was/is wrong with the Faroe Islands file I submitted?
Should I just recreate the teams from scratch? I have them all in my Excel file.

Iceland is finished in Excel, busy entering the teams into the Editor.
Taking my time because real life sometimes has priority above swos :).

Finally finished my research into El Salvador.
Finally managed to figure out their Tercera Division, and finally found some recent standings.
This means I have the proper teams in the 4th division not just ones I could find information on :).

All four divisions now have the teams with strips in Excel.
Busy creating teams by comparing different websites (e.g. clubpages on Facebook, soccerway, footballzz etc etc).
Hopefully I'll find at least one recent squad per team (Primera is easy enough...Tercera will be hard in some cases....).

Problem is, I don't have any transfer values etcera so I need a bit of help here.
Should I just take the values in the original SWOS, change them around a bit (using averages) so the strongest teams have the
strongest players? Or does anyone have a better idea?
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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #199 on: 23 May 2016, 21:18:05 »
Hi,

Swiss national team was still free right? I would like to edit that. Regards Kristofer

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #200 on: 23 May 2016, 21:28:53 »
Any news on what was/is wrong with the Faroe Islands file I submitted?
Should I just recreate the teams from scratch? I have them all in my Excel file.

No, don't bother with recreating it. It will work fine.
About that strange error, Zlatko told me to try with normal CD version. If you find time, do that!

Should I just take the values in the original SWOS, change them around a bit (using averages) so the strongest teams have the
strongest players? Or does anyone have a better idea?

That sounds like a very good idea. Go for it!

Swiss national team was still free right? I would like to edit that. Regards Kristofer

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #201 on: 23 May 2016, 22:23:23 »
I'm quite sad that such a great update will be lacking of some not-so-weak leagues (China, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Bosnia), while some in fact completety non-interesting leagues will be updated. Last Synchronated's update was fully playable in career mode and I think that having these leagues in update is worth considering. The same goes for some national teams (Montenegro, Bosnia, DR Congo). Don't anyone of you think that updating fourth El Salvador or Taiwan leagues is completely pointless? :) Well, SWOS was a great game, but football world has changed during that twenty years...

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #202 on: 24 May 2016, 00:29:31 »
Ok thanks for the reply.

HAve a quikc check of this to make sure I'm doing it right, before I go ahead and start the whole process. Arsenals rating has gone DOWN since the edit, but I think thats due to only using 1-7 instead of 1-15?

Hope it looks ok.

Thanks

P.S Danny Welbeck is English I know :P

Yes rating is down because of using only skills 0-7 and not 0-15.

@Playaveli, do you think that  should be a rule for using skills from 0-7 or 0-15. Syncro used skills from 0-7 for all teams.
Using skills from 0-15 is as close to original swos. If an editor uses SWOES skill generator then will get skills from 0-15.
So maybe we have some teams with skills from 0-7 and others from 0-15.
What do you think?

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #203 on: 24 May 2016, 00:44:56 »
Skills from 8 to 15 have some meaning only in career mode - when you search transfer list by player skills, when you want to search an attacker with finishing, then only attackers with finishing from 8 to 15 will be displayed. However - SWOS uses 0-7 scale. Skills form 8 to 15 are used in SWOS to show players best skills. Every weaker player has two best skills from 8 to 15. The better player is - the more vaues from 8 to 15 appears (George Weah has six fifteens). The exception is J. League - it generally looks like it was created by someone else. Also I think that players with more skills from range 8-15 gets bigger wage, so they are more expensive in maintenance.

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #204 on: 24 May 2016, 07:02:58 »
@Playaveli, do you think that  should be a rule for using skills from 0-7 or 0-15. Syncro used skills from 0-7 for all teams.
Using skills from 0-15 is as close to original swos. If an editor uses SWOES skill generator then will get skills from 0-15.
So maybe we have some teams with skills from 0-7 and others from 0-15.
What do you think?

The 0-7 rule has been cancelled. We don't need any rule like that. Keep it simple for all editors.
In playing the game, nobody will notice anyway.
People who use your editor (which most people do!) produce 0-15 skills.


I'm quite sad that such a great update will be lacking of some not-so-weak leagues (China, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Bosnia), while some in fact completety non-interesting leagues will be updated. Last Synchronated's update was fully playable in career mode and I think that having these leagues in update is worth considering. The same goes for some national teams (Montenegro, Bosnia, DR Congo). Don't anyone of you think that updating fourth El Salvador or Taiwan leagues is completely pointless? :) Well, SWOS was a great game, but football world has changed during that twenty years...

Thanks for your input, Mozg. But 96/97 teams will be maintained, with original structure.
The world of football might have changed, but in many cases, not for the better! So, that's what this update shall express/say, between the lines...

El Salvador 4th division is NOT pointless... I have fond memories of Once Lobos! ;) Never want to miss them.

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #205 on: 24 May 2016, 07:13:37 »
I'm glad that we (you guys! lol) are keeping the updates in line with original SWOS. You only have to look at he MAME project to see how impossible things can get when the data depends on a specific version of the exe.

It's good that SWOS 2016 will be accessible, as previous versions clearly were not. Whether the users fault or otherwise, so many people and problems with updates not working, crashes in career mode, not knowing which exe to use etc.

I think it will be great to just download the dat files and copy them to your original swos install.

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #206 on: 24 May 2016, 11:35:13 »
Thanks for your input, Mozg. But 96/97 teams will be maintained, with original structure.
The world of football might have changed, but in many cases, not for the better! So, that's what this update shall express/say, between the lines...

El Salvador 4th division is NOT pointless... I have fond memories of Once Lobos! ;) Never want to miss them.

So maybe some alternative version is worth considering. Otherwise, there will be an update without, for example:

- one team form World Cup 2014 (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
- one team from Copa America 2016 (Haiti)
- one team from Champions League 15/16 (FK Astana from Kazakhstan)

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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #207 on: 24 May 2016, 11:49:46 »
So maybe some alternative version is worth considering....

Please for the love of god, NO! lol

Let people make their own alternatives in private, but please keep the "official unofficial" update plain and simple!  8)
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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #208 on: 24 May 2016, 12:03:45 »

Please for the love of god, NO! lol

Let people make their own alternatives in private, but please keep the "official unofficial" update plain and simple!  8)

That was just my thoughts. However, I'll be honest and I'll tell that I will probably not like that update, as it will be quite unrealistic, especially national teams that are most interesting from me. How to play World Cup or Euro quals without some important teams? ;)

But I understand that I'm the only one that would like realism rather than nostalgia, will just play Synchronated's updates :)
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Re: SWOS 16/17 - The official unofficial Update
« Reply #209 on: 24 May 2016, 12:23:57 »
Snark aside, it's nothing to do with nostalgia or realism.

My opinion is formed from watching countless people over the years (myself included) give up in frustration because their game crashes and they can't work out which combination of exe and data files they need. This is why, in my opinion of course, it is worth sacrificing a little but of realism for the sake of practicality, Not nostalgia.
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