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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #15 on: 11 May 2016, 09:44:50 »
I wonder if it even would run....

the whole ebay offer and setup description seem to be untrustworthy imo...

"... Fully supports all USB joy-pads tested with ps3 and Xbox 360 pad if it doesn't try the swos ++ to calibrate pad

Win XP Win 7/8 and now fully 8.1& 10 Compatible Please Tell me What Windows Your Running before Purchase Buy With Confidence 100 Percent and always offer fully technical support on the product make swos come back and join the swos community on swos 16 Facebook page so you will get loads of in game support and updates from other members facebook please like page :-) ..."

no commata, no points is hard to read (really thought its a bot at beginning :P ) - and what the hell he means with "swos ++" ... ^^

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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #16 on: 11 May 2016, 10:28:29 »
Well his feedback, at least, seems to suggest his package works fine. Like I said before, I think it's fine to offer a package like this for sale, it also includes post sale support to make sure people can run the game.

This, in principle, I have no problems with.

The problem is that even Joh Hare wasn't allowed to use the name, so this guy shouldn't be able to use it either. That, and if he's taken data and gfx (yet to be demonstrated) from creators who specifically do not want their work used for commercial purposes.
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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #17 on: 11 May 2016, 14:08:33 »
so I'm more concerned about him pissing off this community :)

Look at this Facebook page. Cover pictures from SWOS 16/17 --> stolen! And posted like it was his own.
He is selling swos with ++extension. This extension was written by Zlatko Karakas, for the community! And he is making money with it...

So still concerned? Or rather assured?

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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #18 on: 11 May 2016, 14:13:36 »
Ok guys

related to that dude about selling  swos on ebay

try to get some info from him

used one fake fb account
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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #19 on: 11 May 2016, 14:14:24 »
Good work guys...maybe report his Facebook page too????
Or post something about his ripping off e.g. SWOS++ ??
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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #20 on: 11 May 2016, 14:18:36 »
used one fake fb account
http://prntscr.com/b2qqvg

Thanks atilla. What an idiot.
His last sentence... for that alone he deserves a slapping! Like, "give me your money or F*** off..."  ::)

Reported him again on eBay!

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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #21 on: 11 May 2016, 14:18:48 »
What I meant was, I'm *already* concerned about him pissing off this community, rather than being worried about the Codemasters copyright side of things.

So, what I think we should establish (with screenshot comparisons and proof) is:

1. Compare his data with the community data. Should be easy to analyze what (if anything) he has added.

2. Likewise, compare his gfx mods to the community gfx mods.

3. Establish that the creators are actually against their contributions being sold in a package like this.

4. I think this is an important one - actually reach out to the guy first, before crucifying him. Immediately calling him an a****** will just put him off ever dealing with the community. It could be that he's just ignorant, and may be open to reasonable discussion and changing his mind.

Who knows, if the situation is explained calmly and logically to him, he might even become a valuable contributor!
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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #22 on: 11 May 2016, 14:22:43 »
Higgi, a blind person can see the ripping off!
Check: http://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=25996.0

Just an example! Goal nets, blue bottle next to goal post... And much more things...

Plus, I tried yesterday to talk to him. He blocked me right away, when I asked where he got his graphics from.
Look how he talked to atilla (screenshot). Honestly, we can relinquish "contributors" like him!
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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #23 on: 11 May 2016, 14:33:15 »
Well if he's not even open to conversation with the people who created the graphics, then f*** the guy.

Tell Codemasters. Even just a Cease and Desist letter could cost him a few thousand in admin fees, even if they don't take it further than that.

If he doesn't give a shit about the community, this is probably the only way to get something done about it.

Did you get any feedback from your Ebay complaint?
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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #24 on: 11 May 2016, 14:35:41 »
P.S. I did inform him politely on facebook that SWOS is NOT abandonware. Otherwise Jon's new game would have been called "Sensible Soccer!"
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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #25 on: 11 May 2016, 14:35:46 »
@higgi:

This is what eBay tells you, automatically:
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Thank you for taking the time to submit this report.
This information is very important to us, so please be assured that we will thoroughly review it and take action if necessary.

If there's a violation, the action we take depends on how it impacts our community. In some cases, we explain the situation to the seller and the listing will remain on our website. If the item or listing doesn't follow our rules, we may cancel the listing. We may also restrict the seller's buying and selling activities on eBay.

To protect our users' privacy, we're unable to share the action we take. Thanks for understanding.

Note: You don't need to contact us again. Doing so would create a new report and prolong the process.

Truth is:
The more people do the report, the earlier eBay takes action against him. In this case: Kill his auction, and similar future ones!
So, if just 5-10 people use the report link, that'll be most helpful.

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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #26 on: 11 May 2016, 14:38:42 »
Wouldn't it hold more weight if it came from the actual copyright holder? I.E. Codemasters? Anybody got any inside contacts? :)

I don't know, of course, but I'd speculate that with the size of Ebay, you'd probably need hundreds of complaints for them to actually do something!
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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #27 on: 11 May 2016, 14:42:57 »
LOL you're right, I've just noticed that he just stole your 20th Anniversary graphic!

Imma try reaching out to the guy one last time, see if he'll listen to reason.

Can you try to get the people who created the gfx/addon's etc. that he's using in here to voice their opinion?
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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #28 on: 11 May 2016, 14:43:49 »
Wouldn't it hold more weight if it came from the actual copyright holder? I.E. Codemasters? Anybody got any inside contacts? :)

I don't know, of course, but I'd speculate that with the size of Ebay, you'd probably need hundreds of complaints for them to actually do something!

We had such sellers a few years ago, who stole from community.
Ca. 10 reports filed, auction taken off!

Informed my contact at Codemasters already. Told me to just spread the word to report this guy, because going the official way would take months!

So, we can stop discussing. Just log in on eBay, and file a report.

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Re: Some work, some just rip off...
« Reply #29 on: 11 May 2016, 14:45:54 »
He's blocked me too now. And I've just seen the bullshit he's posting about you.

I'm in. Filing Ebay complaint now.
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