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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #240 on: 14 December 2016, 12:50:22 »
It's all about opinions!   ;D

Consider uploading your edited dataset to swosdata.higgis.at to share.

Maybe other people agree with you and will grab your dataset to use  in their own games.  8)
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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #241 on: 15 December 2016, 00:06:29 »
Hi, the following players in the Premier League should be black:-

Arsenal: Francis Coquelin
Hull: Jake Livermore
Southampton: Virgil Van Dyck
Sunderland: Jack Rodwell
Tottenham: Kyle Walker, Dele Alli, Michel Vorm, Mousa Dembele
Watford: Heurelho Gomes
West Brom: Salomon Rondon
West Ham: Winston Reid, Dimitri Payet, Darren Randolph

Also, Sheffield Wednesday squad errors:-

Forestieri should be LW or A
Almen Abdi should be M, has blonde hair
Ross Wallace should be RW
Adam Reach should have blonde hair
Liam Palmer is black

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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #242 on: 15 December 2016, 14:07:34 »
Hi, the following players in the Premier League should be black:-

Arsenal: Francis Coquelin
Hull: Jake Livermore
Southampton: Virgil Van Dyck
Sunderland: Jack Rodwell
Tottenham: Kyle Walker, Dele Alli, Michel Vorm, Mousa Dembele
Watford: Heurelho Gomes
West Brom: Salomon Rondon
West Ham: Winston Reid, Dimitri Payet, Darren Randolph

None of these players is "really" black. Some less than half-black, or with some african roots.

Thanks for your report about Sheffield. Will look into it.
But you are right about Palmer, he is indeed black, unlike the ones listed above! ;)


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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #243 on: 15 December 2016, 16:32:46 »
Hi, the following players in the Premier League should be black:-

Arsenal: Francis Coquelin
Hull: Jake Livermore
Southampton: Virgil Van Dyck
Sunderland: Jack Rodwell
Tottenham: Kyle Walker, Dele Alli, Michel Vorm, Mousa Dembele
Watford: Heurelho Gomes
West Brom: Salomon Rondon
West Ham: Winston Reid, Dimitri Payet, Darren Randolph

None of these players is "really" black. Some less than half-black, or with some african roots.

Thanks for your report about Sheffield. Will look into it.
But you are right about Palmer, he is indeed black, unlike the ones listed above! ;)

Okay, it is subjective but I don't understand how you can look at that list of players and say they should all appear as white in the game. Obviously with Swos there are two choices, white or black. I think these 'not really' black players are better represented by the black sprite than the white one, rather than saying that all players should be represented as white until their actual skin tone matches the black sprite. Maybe someone else has an opinion.

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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #244 on: 15 December 2016, 17:22:11 »
Maybe someone else has an opinion.

Yes, I have an opinion.

This is a dangerous mine field. So much good work has been done here, it would be a shame to taint it by going down this particular rabbit hole.

My suggestion? All skin colours are frozen as they are right now. No more "official" changes. People are still free to edit their own datasets, of course.

P.S. playa, please don't even ATTEMPT to answer the question, "what makes a person "really" black?" :D
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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #245 on: 15 December 2016, 18:18:03 »
Haha... well SWOS was a bit weird with just two player colors. I mean, even three colors would be almost enough.

Purely theoretically, a way to settle this would be to take the photo from the same source (say, transfermarkt), and find the average skin colour, which could then be compared to swos colors (or better yet, the middle ground between swos colors) to determine should the player be darker or lighter. Of course, I'm talking about RGB values, not visual comparison.


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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #246 on: 15 December 2016, 19:01:15 »
Here, I was feeling especially ****** today so I gave it a try ;D


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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #247 on: 15 December 2016, 19:07:56 »
LOL! ;D

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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #248 on: 15 December 2016, 19:17:39 »
LOL brilliant. I vote this to be the "official" position on the matter! :D
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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #249 on: 15 December 2016, 19:26:26 »
LOL indeed! The site I used to find the average colours happily reported that the prevailing colour on Rodwell's face is "peach schnapps". There's a terrible joke or two in there that I dare not write ;D

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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #250 on: 15 December 2016, 20:07:18 »
just one thing i noticed with 2 teams totTenham and Celtic both have Moussa Dembele
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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #251 on: 15 December 2016, 20:17:06 »
just one thing i noticed with 2 teams totTenham and Celtic both have Moussa Dembele

Yeah, there are two Mousa/Moussa Dembeles in real life. It's easy to tell them apart because one is black and the other is white (just kidding!).

Excellent work with the colour decider. I'm dying to know the rest of the results now.
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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #252 on: 15 December 2016, 22:14:50 »
@Ben
Don't worry, you really have a point there.
Also, Sida79's logic doesn't make sense (to me), but it's not important now. (And if there was a joke somewhere in his post, I am sorry I missed the funny part...).

Applying, for example, the logic in 96/97 where Ronaldo (Brazil) is black then you would have something like (but I could be wrong on one or two):
Arsenal: Francis Coquelin -> black
Hull: Jake Livermore -> white? (*edit)
Southampton: Virgil Van Dyck -> black
Sunderland: Jack Rodwell -> white
Tottenham: Kyle Walker ->black (*edit),  Dele Alli->black, Michel Vorm -> black, Mousa Dembele -> black
Watford: Heurelho Gomes -> white
West Brom: Salomon Rondon -> white
West Ham: Winston Reid -> black, Dimitri Payet -> could be both, Darren Randolph-> black

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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #253 on: 15 December 2016, 22:35:57 »
The logic is to make a simple arithmetic rule for the "official" updates to avoid the never ending arguments about who is "really" black...
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Re: SWOS 16/17 Error and bug reports
« Reply #254 on: 15 December 2016, 22:50:21 »
Don't know what you're talking about.
I just said he has a point there, Randolph is not white, there's no way, my guess is the guy editing didn't even look at the picture, that's all. It's not a crime and that doesn't bother me.
For me it's ok, white, black I do not really care about how they look in the game.
The guy was polite, had a point, do you know what a forum is? :)
Admins can ignore him or tell him they decided otherwise (they have all the rights) or whatever they want to reply. I agree with him, but I am not asking for a change, probably the guy editing was too busy to check all the pictures (was he supposed to?). No big deal.

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