Re: SWOS remake art & opinions wanted
5 years 11 months ago - 5 years 11 months ago #139392
by Masakari
Replied by Masakari on topic Re: SWOS remake art & opinions wanted
Hi ElMichaJ, thanks for the reply.
SWOS / Sensi is dead to big companies. We will never see anything out of them unless someone smaller buys the license from Codemasters or licenses the brand from them to also have access to the source code. In fact, does anyone know why Jon Hare didn t license the IP from Codies and decided to do Sociable?
I know and 100% agree with what you mean about all the clones running around. Hence why I think the only course of action is coming together as a community and do something about it, the only option is doing SWOS, no approximation will be good enough.
I m not a programmer and could only handle art and engine integration, so I don t even know how feasible some things I asked are.
Since we don t have the source code for SWOS but the game absolutely needs to be using the old coding underneath the hood, is SWOS reverse-engineerable? Or re-writable? Something that would enable the creation of a vertical slice of the game, in other words a small demo showing what the final product would look like.
People being unpaid all the way wouldn t necessarily be true, it would depend what the business plan for development is, for example:
A) Do you build a prototype reverse-engineered from SWOS 96/97 and present it to Codemasters, and get their consent for a Kickstarter or Indiegogo or attempts at private funding?
Or do you try to crowdfund a licensing fee with Codemasters, get the source, develop a vertical slice, and then crowdfund again to get the additional funding required to complete the game?
Another issue entirely is that this would ideally be supported by Jon Hare or have his involvement. However, with him doing Sociable not only do I doubt he wants to get involved, we would be active competition for his current project, and we would be advancing SWOS without any of the original team involved.
I ve seen the Pro Evo community organize each year to transform the game; I ve seen the Sonic community rally and finally do the great 2d Sonic game that Sega failed to do for 2 decades; Japanese RPG fans do complete fan translations who are then picked up by the original devs; Even small 3 person teams still doing Sega Dreamcast games! While those communities are bigger, there is clear passion here as we are 20 years later still around, on this forum, with a yearly convention in Sensible Days, with a kitbashed multiplayer online component. It really makes me wonder why no one has (afaik) organized something by now.
SWOS / Sensi is dead to big companies. We will never see anything out of them unless someone smaller buys the license from Codemasters or licenses the brand from them to also have access to the source code. In fact, does anyone know why Jon Hare didn t license the IP from Codies and decided to do Sociable?
I know and 100% agree with what you mean about all the clones running around. Hence why I think the only course of action is coming together as a community and do something about it, the only option is doing SWOS, no approximation will be good enough.
I m not a programmer and could only handle art and engine integration, so I don t even know how feasible some things I asked are.
Since we don t have the source code for SWOS but the game absolutely needs to be using the old coding underneath the hood, is SWOS reverse-engineerable? Or re-writable? Something that would enable the creation of a vertical slice of the game, in other words a small demo showing what the final product would look like.
People being unpaid all the way wouldn t necessarily be true, it would depend what the business plan for development is, for example:
A) Do you build a prototype reverse-engineered from SWOS 96/97 and present it to Codemasters, and get their consent for a Kickstarter or Indiegogo or attempts at private funding?
Or do you try to crowdfund a licensing fee with Codemasters, get the source, develop a vertical slice, and then crowdfund again to get the additional funding required to complete the game?Another issue entirely is that this would ideally be supported by Jon Hare or have his involvement. However, with him doing Sociable not only do I doubt he wants to get involved, we would be active competition for his current project, and we would be advancing SWOS without any of the original team involved.
I ve seen the Pro Evo community organize each year to transform the game; I ve seen the Sonic community rally and finally do the great 2d Sonic game that Sega failed to do for 2 decades; Japanese RPG fans do complete fan translations who are then picked up by the original devs; Even small 3 person teams still doing Sega Dreamcast games! While those communities are bigger, there is clear passion here as we are 20 years later still around, on this forum, with a yearly convention in Sensible Days, with a kitbashed multiplayer online component. It really makes me wonder why no one has (afaik) organized something by now.
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