Re: SWOS remake art & opinions wanted

do we have some indication about source code for swos xbla ?

It’s the same Amiga code with an overlay running atop the original game. The three versions (Amiga, PC, Xbox) seem to share the same code. The small differences in ball physics and goalkeeper’s behaviour are due to the fact that Xbox has a different resolution and refresh rate. This is the same reason why PC SWOS gameplay is different from Amiga SWOS. The Xbox version is closer to the Amiga one, though.

If you want to port to modern systems you kind of already have that on Gog.com, SWOS 96/97 has always been on sale there (yes, I know its DOSbox, not updated ).

It’s kind of a stretch to say that an old PC game running on DOSbox with a price tag and no added features is a port to modern systems.
Where did I say I wanted that?
I talked about a proper SWOS remake which is what the half-assed Xbox live version should have been; that is, an Amiga SWOS running natively on modern systems with some added features (netplay, support for higher resolutions and different refresh rate without compromising the physics, 16:9 ratio, maybe even the same sprites but with a much larger palette, more skin colours, or an option to switch to a slightly more modern look as in Xbla SWOS…). And I think it would already take a lot of time to try to rewrite the code in order to overcome its limitations and add the some of its features, above all netplay.

If you want to preserve SWOS from oblivion, and do it justice, that s all you need to do.
If you want to make money out of it then it s a different story.

a lot of people that never played SWOS or Sensible Soccer and trying it out for first time these days are confused about the gameplay and have feelings about it is a bad game, because you play with one button or it is to hard to master

That is true and their wrong impression about it being a bad/unworthy game is also related to one particular aspect that aged badly: the AI. It’s totally fine when you play human vs human. However a human vs cpu match doesn’t do the game any justice.
Pair that with the one-button gameplay which requires time to be mastered and you’ll get why the average youtuber is likely to have a good laugh at it.

Code from PC version could also be taken into regard, as it s just a written conversion from Amiga:
www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/index.php?topic=4355.0

As lemonheadiv already mentioned, changed physics (ball s flying curves and feeling, goalkeepers, to name the major differences) came through the change of resolution and refresh rates. Reversing that should be not too difficult.

The physics issue kind of made me rethink it.
My thoughts:
- Ball physics are changed by resolution! Logically, having Amiga ball physics on PC DOS resolution would cause the ball fly out of sight (eg. long diagonal shots or fast wide curled passes). Of course, that cannot happen in SWOS, as the ball is focal point.
- Goalkeeper behavior is changed by the refresh rate. As you can see in XBLA, those are PC DOS esq keepers.

But anyway, this is slightly off topic.

The extra layer of tweaked graphics (and switching between classic mode and new HD look) can be seen in many remakes or HD versions, even in the Monkey Island special editions.

A comparison: imagine old SWOS career mode had 5 box buttons on the screen and they filled most of the screen because back then resolution was low and screen sizes were small; now imagine you re adding new features to Career mode and you now have 10 box buttons in the new UI. Do you get why this would be a problem?

I don t see a problem, if you don t exaggerate it. Look at the main menu für PC DOS 16/17. We ve added two more boxes, worked fine... And from those boxes you can enter new menus.



I don t think it would be a problem to add 2-3 extra buttons in career mode for example, and show less of the schedule above them. You just have to get the right balance.

For me there is no simple HD Remake needed (we allready have this on Xbox 360). But a sequel also not needed (I am in fear that it would be like FIFA. I really like FIFA 98 and 99 but 2000, 2001 and so on was so much different in any way). For me just add good extras to the game but let the game as it is. Maybe make some tweak some of the gameplay. For example better goalkeepers, red cards for opponent, injuries for cpu and so on (don t change any basics at all, just make the good things even better but don t change gameplay). And carrer mode, I hope it will not be to much and we end into a football manager with SWOS gameplay. I really like some adjustment to nowdays football like 5 years ranking for european tournaments, championsleague system of 2018/2019, Club World Cup and so on. Maybe cpu can make transfers as well and your changes will remember at your team when you take a new offer. But I did not like to see any thing more in depth with financial things or even more, build stadiums and so on. For this kind of things I would play any game but not SWOS. SWOS career mode is great, but for me it just would need some extras added here like I mentioned here in a new version, but not a lot of more. I am not sure, I really like an old very simple football manager called Anstoss (or On the Ball in english). But I don t get in touch with Anstoss 2 or even Anstoss 3, as there is to much going on for me. So keep it simple. I really like SWOS as it is simple. To much in career mode would be to much different for me and would end up in maybe don t playing the career mode.

Any news here?
I have read somewhere on facebook that ElMicha would like to form a dev team and want to create a new SWOS team. Is that true or just some would be really nice but it is just a dream ?

That said, like I mentioned I m working on an updated visual pitch, but I had to put it on hold until next week because I m currently finishing 2 freelance gigs at the same time and I m barely sleeping as it is lol

You mean something like this, like from the last pitch patch project?
photos.app.goo.gl/JoWJn4FnQ2AxmtFh1